Jason Arday dead

[ThisWiseRobin]

Just putting this out there, but just heared.A sad end to a whole sorry mess.

If the JA apologists go quiet this morning, it’s presumably because they’ve been compelled to go to work (insert, job type and employer, here).

Although we can all guess what they do, and who they work for….

'Scum' is a favoured insult from the left about the right, isn't it. Said with such venom and of course, misguided righteousness. Lovely bunch.

Work? Labour is the party of the non workers now.

I have not seen “JA apologists” on this thread. I have seen people expressing concern about what fast became a trial by public opinion, with allegations treated as conclusions, and a belief that anyone can assess academic work products, relinquishing plagiarism to an issue of copy and pasting, and deciding that students taught by the person now have tainted degrees.

Calling people “apologists” and speculating about who employs them is not an argument, it s an ad hominem attack, the lowest form of debating.

As is calling people racist at the drop of a hat.

Again, this points to a wider point I made earlier, this is an accusation used to stifle debate.

It is usually a white liberal tactic and they’re also the same ones setting the rules of what constitutes as racist. Think men in frocks defining what womanhood is, white people seem to be the ones dictating what is racism, again, to shut down debate.

This is why I believe it’s so important that I speak and other minorities take the lead in this debate and make it clear, challenging something does not make it racist.

We are sick to the back teeth of having framed in racial boundaries to stop genuine topics being discussed.

This is used in any debate such as illegal immigration, raping of white people’s children and in cases like this which clearly highlight the nefarious agenda many people have to virtual signal rather than have any meaningful change on merit.

Then again, if Kemi, Preeti or Suella speak to highlight the absurdity of the two tier system based on an ideological left wing racial platform, they’re called all types of slurs.

Zia from Reform has shown even the very minority that the media and the left tell us is hated and the UK is racially intolerant towards, is the money and power man behind reform, Farage is just the face.

ALL of us are getting sick of it.

I have a day off today so I can join the lovely non working Labour lovers on this thread today hehehehe

Nice try, but ad hominem refers to a personal attack.

Calling people “JA apologists”, speculating about their employers and implying that they are acting on someone else’s behalf attacks the people making the argument rather than addressing the argument itself. That is a personal attack and therefore ad hominem.

As I say, nice try.

A number of posters are hell bent on defending JA despite the overwhelming evidence against him - they have an axe to grind, irrespective of reality.

Many of us see if for what it is - and JA’s defenders do not like being called out. Not one little bit.

Edit: incidentally, I note you have not addressed those who would say that JA’s defenders do not work - instead you focus on me - now that IS ad hominem.

It’s sad, he was a person with a family at the end of the day and didn’t deserve the online hate. He needed help long ago. That said he was about to release a book so put himself back in the public eye for scrutiny which is what happened. Whatever was true / not true, he didn’t hurt anyone and we should respect that it’s a needless loss of life. RIP.

I'm a massive fan of Zia. Articulate and can out debate the liberals every time.

no, this bit on work/nonwork is just another nonsensical post / sentence on a thread which has some good bits, and some bad bits.

I can't even say that i chose not to address it - i read it and wondered for a split second WTH this had to do with anything and moved on.

i am actually only interested on the process and appraisal part of the debate - the left/right politics bit is not something that resonate with me, as it s not really aligned with the world i live in (or i am misunderstanding what these posters mean)

Whether he hurt anyone or not depends on how you evaluate the accusations of racism against students who complained and academics who criticised him.

But now his supporters are whipping up hate and frenzy and asking people to attack someone who highlighted the plagiarism.

JA also had the Met Police investigate a journalist due to ‘racism’.

Honestly this particular side track is nuts.
@Switchnow says “when I asked why people use the term leftist you ignored the question” when in fact I immediately in reply clarified that I used leftist to mean “people on the left”. I don’t know how much clearer she needs me to be. I’ve never seen it as a slur so feel no need to defend myself when I’ve clarified what it means to me.

But I agree with you, getting outraged to the point of numerous posts and petty insults even if you do think the word had a pejorative tone given how people on the right are talked about is ridiculous.

Agree. I stand by everything I’ve said here.

I won’t take anything back. I’ve nothing to apologise for.

Yes, and in addition

How about the person / people he did out of a job/s (the job/s he got based on his lies).

How about the people now hurt as a result of his actions. By highlighting the nonsense at Cambridge, Liverpool, and many other organisations willing to believe his fantasising without question, he's set the DEI movement (which had gone beyond being fair / levelling up, and started to damage the people who didn't fit. Ironic since the aim was the opposite) back years. This is fully understood which is why the media is now being blamed fully, erroneously - not Cambridge / Liverpool nor JA himself.

The students in his classes who paid a fortune to be there, to be taught by a charlatan

There will be more

He reported an investigative journalist to the police for doing his job and accused him of harassment. He accused at least one student of racism (imagine what that accusation can do to a young person’s life). He took academic and financial opportunities away from people who deserved them. He made up stories about racial harassment and being threatened by a man with a knife, maligning white people and the people of Cambridge (see Guardian for details of the racial and harassment and knife man debunking).

I’m sure if I made up stories that people from a particular ethnic group had racially harassed and threatened me you wouldn’t say I was not hurting anyone.

I mean, the 'someone who highlighted the plagiarism' is an outspoken racist and what really shouldn't happen here is people stepping up to defend Cofnas because the 'other side' are attacking him.

So that makes it ok, because YOI believe he is a racist, you want him to be subjected to the same behaviour YOU believe contributed to JA death.

This is why society is broken- right is right and wrong is wrong irrespective of who is the target of it but not to the left.

strangely quiet on the part where an investigative journalist put forward the claims and offered him a right to reply, he went to the police and used the words racism to have a journalist harassed by pol ie for four months.

I cannot believe people choose this hill to die on LMFAO.

Because I said that people shouldn't step up to defend a racist (and I can explain why I think this based on my own assessment of his writing) you automatically assume that I am defending Arday.

On another thread I was accused of being a racist because I was posting stuff that wasn't supportive of Arday.

It seems that people have to 'pick a side' and stay in that lane instead of being able to form their own opinions and critically evaluate what people are saying?

It’s not about white liberal support of, or sympathy for, Arday - it’s about it being a weapon with which to beat the right.

Let’s be honest.

I disagree with this. You can believe that Cofnas’s views are racist but also that he did nothing wrong in exposing JA.

It is not right to accuse someone of being responsible for someone else’s death for exposing truths and when the person themself made the choice to end their own life.

Argue against Cofnas’s work and views by all means, but the accusations being made against him of causing JA’s death are not reasonable or acceptable.