Jason Arday dead

[ThisWiseRobin]

Just putting this out there, but just heared.A sad end to a whole sorry mess.

I really enjoyed that book. When I heard that Frey had exaggerated and fabricated a lot of it I was momentarily disappointed and that was about it. He still gave me a book that I enjoyed.

People say that it wasn't a pile on the telegraph had 33 articles about Arday in 17 days, the leader of Reform in Wales was an actual Russian asset and got 7 articles. How is that not completely out of proportion to this mans 'crimes'. I understand being disappointed that he wasn't who people thought but a little bit of perspective would have gone a long way.

The only “problem” here is racists.

They didn’t dare because they cowards and complicit in his egregious playing of the race card.
He courted publicity then cried racism and attempted serious bullying when investigated.
The James O’Brien flattery interview with him demonstrated JA’s cynical technique - with JO’B’s orgasmic joy and tears at being praised by a black man - sheer manipulation of the gullible and sycophantic (which JO’B himself now even admits)

..of all persuasions.

I think that just goes to show how selfish and self obsessed he was. Thats why the whole thing has come about. Main character syndrome to the nth degree.

To say the least!

You are presenting this as the issue of interest being JA’s “crimes” as you put it. It’s not. The issue is academia and our institutions and the rot this fiasco has exposed. This is why the huge level of interest.

I am not saying that on SM some people haven’t been focusing more on JA’s stories but more generally there is clearly a bigger issue here which needs exposing and addressing.

"People say that it wasn't a pile on the telegraph had 33 articles about Arday in 17 days, the leader of Reform in Wales was an actual Russian asset and got 7 articles. How is that not completely out of proportion to this mans 'crimes'."

Well one was the youngest Cambridge professor in history and the other is an obscure politician in Wales. It's not like the Senedd has much influence or power in the grand scheme of things.

If it ( hypothetically )turned out Farage was a russian asset there would be a lot more than 33 articles !

I cannot evaluate the quality of his teaching - i have not heard his lectures, seen his curricular contribution, or engaged with his topic.

I cannot peer evaluate his work - no my discipline

would i have wanted to be taught by him? i don't know. I recognise that most people, despite their failings can still make a valid useful contribution. No one is 100% bad. I was taught by brilliant academics who were monsters to women. The horrors they inflicted has no bearing on their proficiency at sharing knowledge.

Are you being particularly socratic in your approach to this conversation, or searching for something else?

Don't forget his head of faculty Hilary Cremin at Cambridge claiming his research was 'the best in the world' while holding his hand during the interview.

A lot of people were dazzled by him and put his 'story' above any kind of academic or personal integrity.

deleted as I haven’t quoted the post I was answering

He conned and lied his way through £200k a year for years and you think he should have just been allowed to continue, why is that?

Ooh yes definitely Socratic 🙄

I notice you didn’t address this question:

Do you think his work suggests a genuine interest in and application to his discipline?

which is the core issue of my questions. Would you care to answer this?

So just to expand in case I wasn’t clear. Do you think that someone who plagiarises and makes up quotes for their “research” is likely to have a genuine interest in applying themself to the expansion of knowledge in their area of interest?

Why would you think @Starrylawn post meant he should continue in his job?

I found myself quite disgusted at the other threads prior to his death. It was as if they wanted his example to be used to kill EDI initiatives all together. As if every academic pre-1990 got there genuinely based on their hard work, and the fact that they were all privately educated, white (mostly) men was just by the by.
Just goes to show that you’re not allowed to fail if you’re black. Because they’ll come for you ten times harder!

I mean, you can't argue it's morally right to kill yourself when you have young children, considering the immense harm it causes to them. The most you can say is that person driven to suicide is beyond being able to make moral decisions due to their mental state, and can't be held accountable.

At one level, JA fall reveals how, even in our most elite universities, DEI dogma has warped intellectual standards to the point of madness. Yet a deeper examination reveals poor Jason to be merely a poster boy for the increasingly fetid system that is British higher education.
Will lessons be learned...I doubt it. Our once great university system has sold out. For example at Bath Spa, a senior lecturer in organisational behaviour and leadership has received a grant to investigate ‘cognitive and emotional costs of identity regulation among ethnically diverse early career professionals’. The project bemoans that ‘professions in the UK often promote values like competence, meritocracy and individual achievement, reflecting white and western norms’. The dismissal of great academia, and replacement with such PhD thesis as Among them is Dr. Alex Frankovitch, whose PhD thesis was entitled “F%^&g and Being f:£^d: Towards a Sexual Ethics of Sex on Drugs.” One student recalls asking Frankovitch about Warren Buffett, only to discover that he had never heard of him.
Is it really surprising that his error-ridden thesis didn’t stand out against this backdrop?
(Ref. Spectator 15 August)

I don't think they "build him up to see him fall". This is nit what was at play here. Rather, white people believing an insidious bio racist theories that non-white people are somehow don't need have the same level of knowlege and qualification as everyone else as they are "wise" and "learn by experience and adversity they face".lin JA they pushedforward someone who looked exotic and has an exviting story to tell - ignoring pretty much every red flag in favor of an interesting publicity piece with a picture of an attractive Black guy they promoted. It's offensive..

UK universities award more than 26,000 doctorates each year and you’ve highlighted one particular example. I wouldn’t make any judgement about that one example without a lot more facts and context. Then you give this strange anecdote about Warren Buffett. Are you concluding that our entire higher education system has systemic problems based on one PhD student?!

Many negative things may not effect a person's teaching, but I think having plagiarized the majority of your thesis and subsequent research history is not one of them. A Cambridge professor should be knowledgeable about his subject - at the very least.

The students who worked hard for years to get the grades for Cambridge and then paid tens of thousands of pounds to study there were completely failed. It's simply not excusable. Admittedly it's Cambridge who should shoulder the majority of the blame for the way they have behaved from the very beginning.

Except that people who know him at school have said he wasn’t non verbal. To make him look more special he was giving false hope to parents of non verbal autistic children and that’s cruel.

No I'm quoting one example of many. The Warren Buffet one was particularly worrying as this Prof is lecturing at LSE. It's just one example of the level of lecturing out there at some prestigious universities .
My daughter has a PhD so I am not knocking them believe me, I'm just trying to show how a plagiarised PhD and a fantasist could so easily slip through the net.

The "media" aren't the only ones that trawled through Jason's life to make money, Jason himself did that too by writing and publishing the story of his life. He accepted a very large amount of money to pedal lies. It is truly sad that this man has died and it is horrific for his family but we mustn't forget the truth here, Jason set off on this path of lies and deception, at no point did he try and put a stop to it. He proved that he had no guilt nor shame by very recently taking a huge amount of money to publish his lies.
His death is sad but let's not bury the truth of who and what he was.

Two people said that, one of whom is a YouTuber and posted a video about it (you can infer whether there could be ulterior motives to that). Other schoolmates said he was non verbal. What is the truth? I don’t know (and neither do you).

Anyone on here remember Nick Leeson, that story was massive globally and went on and on. He went to prison, the story kept being brought up in the press. Predates social media.

The media (rightly IMO) went after Captain Tom’s daughter when her lies were exposed. Less to uncover but that story ran and ran

It’s simply not true to say the Jason Arday story was only big because he was black, undoubtedly his blackness is a part of the story. Cambridge University used him because promoting him made them feel good and that’s on them, and that was part of the story but once the story broke of all his tall tales and the stories being debunked one by one that would have been big whoever he was.