Lindsay clancy trial

[Widowwith2]

Has anyone else been following the lindsay clancy trial? What is everyone thinkin? I dont think she done it

Really? You find your wife - who's been struggling severely with her mental health - bleeding out in the snow having severely injured herself in an attempt to commit suicide while in sole charge of the children, and you wouldn't immediately fear that she committed a murder-suicide?

Perhaps I'm just more cynical, but that would absolutely be my first thought, and I would need to lay eyes on the children immediately to make sure that they're alive and safe. I'm not blaming him at all - I don't know enough about the case - but it does seem very strange to me personally that he wouldn't feel that same instinct, and would instead just wait for the ambulance to arrive before bothering to go look (if nothing else, the three kids alone together could've have hurt themselves).

Maybe it's a mother vs father thing? I don't know.

I think he was dealing with so much in front of him with his wife's injuries. He probably did feel extremely torn and made a judgment that the kids were probably alight and just 'in the basement', and that help was only a few minutes away. When it arrived, he went straight to the kids.

When it arrived, he went straight to the kids.

Which is totally consistent with him thinking the kids were fine and the only person needing immediate help was the wife.

I think I would want to check on the kids, one being a small baby, if I found DH incapacitated in any way when having been left in sole charge of them. Not because I would assume he had killed them, but because they were so little and wouldn’t be safe to be left on their own for any period of time. I wouldn’t wait for ten minutes to check on them. To me that doesn’t make sense.

Yes you’re right no one at all knows exactly how they would behave in this exact situation, however LC did tell people she had thoughts of harming the children. She told her husband. Why he didn’t take it seriously is anyone’s guess. He left her with the children for a work trip for 2 nights a week before it happened. She had consistently said she felt very overwhelmed with looking after the children. She was suicidal. She had thoughts of harming the children. It should have been taken very seriously, the fact that it wasn’t is the reason they are in this situation.

Right, we wouldn't know but you said in a comment that thinking they needed to go and check on the kids wouldn't be the response of any sane person in your opinion, which is a very odd thing to think.

I think a huge amount of people would in fact go and check on the kids, I'm almost certain I would, knowing how I dealt with my exes mental health crisis. Risk to the kids was always on my mind and the first thought, and he had never mentioned anything about harming them specifically.

Hmmmm, DP with a broken spine and slipping in and out of conciousness lower priority than an 8 month old that might choke on a rusk. 🤔

So you agree he didn't take it seriously and therefore won't have been expecting her to have murdered the children when he found her terribly injured.

Yes, you have prior experience so you know mentally ill people can kill their kids. It wasn't on his radar, and it wouldn't be on mine. It's perfectly normal to assume your partner isn't going to murder the children. It is far from obvious that the top priority when finding a badly injured parter is to check the kids, especially when she's specifically said they are where you'd expect them to be.

This is non sensical. His wife was on numerous medications, had been admitted to a psychiatric hospital for evaluation and was seeing numerous therapists via zoom. Of course PC was aware of her fragile mental state.

The other two posts are disrespectful.

What? My ex didn't actually kill the kids so I don't have 'prior' experience, I have prior experience with a mentally ill ex partner, which is the same thing Patrick Clancy had at the time except they were still together and Lindsay had actually told him she had thoughts about harming the children, my ex had never said anything like that about the kids.

I don't think everyone would rush straight to the kids but I think a lot would, it's odd that you said that checking the kids wouldn't be the response of a 'sane' person.

An 8 month old that you aren’t sure is safe plus their toddler sibling who is mobile and could have got anywhere so is probably even more of a risk. Yes. I would call the ambulance, go and check on/fetch the kids and come back to my spouse. And that’s even without concerns about spousal mental health.
I got injured at home once (head injury that looked and felt, fortunately, worse than it was). My exh came home from work to find me unwell on the floor. Our kids then 3 and 4 were upstairs. He called the ambulance, went to check on them, they were fine as they were in bed, then came back to me. That seems the natural reaction of a parent to me. But naturally how I would act isn’t the same as how others would I suppose. We’re all different.

This was your prior experience, you cited it as the reason you would check children:

I think a huge amount of people would in fact go and check on the kids, I'm almost certain I would, knowing how I dealt with my exes mental health crisis. Risk to the kids was always on my mind and the first thought

I don't have that prior experience. Nor did the husband, nor to most people.

I don't think everyone would rush straight to the kids but I think a lot would

Yup, no quarrel with that, some would some wouldn't. We can't conclude anything about the Husband from it.

Of course PC was aware of her fragile mental state.

But nobody was aware she was likely to harm the kids, and we know that because she was left alone with the kids. You could argue that they all should have known, but they didn't. We know that because we have hindsight.

But everyone here saying “I would definitely do x/y” is saying it while sitting in front of a keyboard, in a rational state without a half dead partner bleeding out in front of them.

They’re saying it while thinking rationally. When faced with someone who has attempted suicide rationale goes out the window, because you have to think in the moment, and the reality is that when you’re faced with the situation, that moment looks a lot different to how it does in front of your keyboard.

How many of us have said “I would definitely” about something, and then that something happens, and you say I always thought I would, but then”. Most of us I’d like to bet.

The sad fact is that millions of people kill themselves. most don’t kill their children. Suicide is irrational, and in fact most people who kill themselves do so in a situation where it is a loved one, the children themselves even sometimes, who finds them. And still they don’t kill them.

All the people saying they would definitely check on the children. The truth is that you’re unlikely to be in a state to calmly go and check on them, prevent them from wanting to come back to you and to see their half dead mother on the lawn, and so most people would in fact want to protect their children from seeing that. Most people not assuming that the children were dead as well.

Yeah I know what you’re doing so I won’t bite.
Men who minimise and ignore their struggling wives is not a new story. Unfortunately for this family it ended the way that it did

What are you talking about?
It wasn't my 'prior experience' at the time, it was my present experience at the time. If I had discovered my ex like that and he had been looking after the kids I would have immediately been concerned he might have harmed them and went to check on them.

It wasn't just him. It was the mother, all the professionals. He told the doc the drugs had made her worse. His texts to her on the day seem really helpful to her.

You said:

I think a huge amount of people would in fact go and check on the kids, I'm almost certain I would, knowing how I dealt with my exes mental health crisis. Risk to the kids was always on my mind and the first thought

I described that as "prior experience". I think that's reasonable and accurate.

You're just nitpicking.
The time with my ex has passed and nothing like that occurred so instead I just spoke about if something happened in the future, but obviously if I had found my ex like that I would have also checked on the kids, even though at the time it was my present experience.

Who had the most responsibility to her? You think a mother or a doctor has more responsibility than a husband who lives with her and is the other parent to their children? Do you think the doctor should have moved in with her to supervise the children? Should her mother have moved in with her? Her mother stayed with her LC asked her to sleep in bed with her as she didn’t want to be alone. Not her husband funnily enough. Why did she ask her mum to sleep with her when she had a husband in the same house?
This narrative puts women and also children at risk and you need to think about the support you offer your wife and family

I said it wasn't just him. That is correct.

You deflected from her husband onto others to make them equally responsible. As the father of the children he had ultimate responsibility for their wellbeing if the other parent was not able to. Fine he did not care, or didn’t take it seriously even after taking her to psychiatric units for inpatient stays, seeing her deterioration, hearing her say she was suicidal and had thoughts of harming the children, then yes there are others that could have stepped up but that does not absolve him from the responsibilities he had to his children in particular. I really hope you are just being deliberately obtuse to get a rise and not how you view your family but that’s none of my business.

There's a certain poster on here who loves the attention by posting non sensical stuff.