Lindsay clancy trial

[Widowwith2]

Has anyone else been following the lindsay clancy trial? What is everyone thinkin? I dont think she done it

He does. In his testimony, he says he goes outside and finds her lying on her back, and she tells him she tried to kill herself and that the children are in the basement. he stays with her until the ambulance arrives, still on the 911 call, then goes downstairs and discovers the children. That was his account, in the courtroom.

I wouldn't have stayed with her, I'd be down that basement pdq.

I understand that she said the children were in the basement; no more than that. I got the impression he assumed they were in the basement, as they normally would be at that time of day.

However, I think I would have checked on the kids immediately, too. I think he waited for the emmergency services to arrive. I think they were there in around 7-10 minutes? And then he went to the basement.

A 7-10 minutes is vital for recovery. Delay that and there's going to be catastrophic injury. Nevertheless the youngest child was able to be revived. Had it been 10 minutes earlier, who knows.

And if they were normally in the basement at that time of day, have you evidence for this, then that's the first place you look. No delays. No hanging around.

A 7-10 minutes is vital for recovery. Delay that and there's going to be catastrophic injury. Nevertheless the youngest child was able to be revived. Had it been 10 minutes earlier, who knows.

Surely you're not intentionally implying there's even 0.01% of blame on the spouse because he didn't rush to the basement? He didn't know she'd killed them so reviving them won't even have been on his radar and that assumes he knows how to revive 3 seemingly dead children - I certainly don't. He came home to an apparent suicide. He only found out about the murders later.

Plus I've googled and the 8 month old wasn't revived in any sense that we would regard as 'revived'. The heart beat independently but the brain was dead and independent breathing never restarted.

Here's an interesting video that I watched. It's an interview with a childhood friend of Lindsay who has been attending the trial. At the 32:58 mark, she begins to describe what the jurors look like.

Surely you're not implying that if a loving husband and father came back to silence in the house and knew that the children were in the basement he would ignore the children?

He and anyone would check the children first. End off.

If he thought for one moment that his mentally ill wife would harm the children he procreated with her, he would never have left the house. Dinner can be delivered as well as pharmaceuticals.

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@DannyDeever

It's crazy that there's a pregnant woman on the jury (given the circumstances of the case)! I wonder if she feels at all conflicted.

Surely you're not implying that if a loving husband and father came back to silence in the house and knew that the children were in the basement he would ignore the children?

Bloody right I am!

If I came home to find my wife with a broken spine on the lawn "Right, I suppose I better go and check on the kids." wouldn't be my response. It wouldn't be the response of any sane person IMHO. You deal with the emergency at hand. The people saying they would are using 20:20 hindsight, and even then bringing dead children back to life with no knowledge, skills or equipment seems utterly impossible to me.

Is that the green topped woman who lost the vanity fair contract for behaving appalling in court? Britanny Romano

It is!

What an absolute idiot she looked. What was she thinking?

Have, not gave. Sorry, but it is have.

As I stated on the other post , that’s a typo, g is next to h. Weird that you’re following me from another thread.

How embarrassing!

If I found my wife dying on the lawn, having attempted suicide, and she said our very young children were in the basement, I would've been down in that basement before she even finished speaking, absolutely terrified at what she might have done to them before trying to off herself. With the ambulance called, there's nothing else you can do, and the children should always be your first, instinctive priority.

The only reason not to, imo, is because he already knew what he'd find - although that could also be because he suspected she'd killed them, and was in denial and didn't want his fears confirmed.

Or he may not have wanted the children to see her like that.

I don’t think anyone can say what they would do in the circs. And if she was known as a loving mother it may not even have been a thought that she would kill the children.

He didn't need to bring the children up to see her!

I know for a certainty that if my DH, having struggled with very poor mental health - even if he was a loving father - told me that the children were in the basement after having tried to kill himself, one of them only an 8-month-old baby and the others still very young, my first, overwhelming instinct would be to go to them and make sure they were safe, rather than sit there for ten minutes waiting for an ambulance.

So it seems odd to me that he wouldn't unless he knew - or feared - they were dead already.

Can you name any?

I don't think we have had any, even in the case of Deidre Morley there was a trial even though both the prosecution and defence agreed she was legally insane at the time.
There was an unnamed mother in 2018 who killed her child, not sure why there was reporting restrictions but she had a trial too, but again both the prosecution and the defence agreed she was insane at the time.

I googled and can't even find any where there was a case where the woman was deemed not fit to stand so I don't think we have had a case where there wasn't a trial.

The police officer next to LC could see though the basement window one of the children and saw PC with him. PC said the light to the basement was on when he got home although it’s not clear whether the office light was on but no one has testified that it was off and then switched on when PC went into the office. There is confusion as to why PC couldn’t see Dawson through the window when he was standing there for 10 minutes.

Callan’s heartbeat was revived, no one is saying he was completely revived, but that for his heart to be able to be restarted there is a time frame which doesn’t fit.
Although I do think it could mean that his heart hadn’t actually stopped when he was being killed, he could have been left for dead with his heart still beating and it stopped some time later.

Do I think PC did it? No but i understand why there are so many questions. Some are out and out conspiracy theories but others are more confusing.

A far more likely reason is that he didn't for a second suspect she'd harmed them, just as I wouldn't assume my wife would kill our kids and despite you saying you'd check on the kids I doubt your missus killing your kids is on your radar either.

Perhaps the bit you're missing is that the basement was a fully furnished part of the living area of the house, where the kids would naturally be if all was well with them.

Perhaps you're imaging she took them to a dark damp unused area to off them.

Indeed. We know he wasn't aware she was a risk to the kids becaise he left her alone with them.

We can can say with hindsight "but she'd mentioned a desire to harm the kids before" but if he'd thought that was serious he'd not have left her. Clearly she'd said it once or twice and nobody thought she meant it - until it happened.

If I'd found my DH/DW having slit their wrists and thrown themselves out a window into the snow, after months of mental health issues, I would most certainly assume they could've (probably would've) killed the children.

If they'll do that then they're in a state where they could do anything - and I've read enough cases where the parent kills the children and then themselves to think it's very likely, especially as they did it while home alone, in sole charge of the children, instead of leaving the house to do it while the children were in care of someone else. Given those factors, I'd immediately fear the children were dead.

And yes, I know it was a fully furnished part of the house...where an 8 month old, 3 year old, and 5 year old were shut up alone and unsupervised, having just been in the care of a woman who had tried to kill herself, and nearly succeeded. I would not be waiting with her until the ambulance arrived, not knowing whether or not my babies were okay.

Frankly, I'm shocked that people's first thoughts wouldn't be 'oh my god, what did she do to the kids?'

If your wife had suffered quite severe mental health issues for months, had said she had dark intrusive thoughts of killing herself and harming the children then you found her in that state with the children nowhere to be seen or heard are you saying you would not once wonder where the children are? They are apparently in the basement where you had just called down to and it was silent. These are small children they would make some sore of noise. It wouldn’t cross your mind they may not be safe?

Yes of course he was shocked but he was standing with Lindsay for around 10 minutes before the police arrived. He was on the phone with 911 until the police arrived then he went to look for the children. The police clearly saw Dawson and PC through the basement window next to LC.

PC said he tried CPR on Cora. The police testified that when he went into the basement PC was sitting on the sofa and Cora was face down.

Well as someone above says nobody actually knows how they'd behave if they found their DP on the lawn terribly injured. The best guide we have to what a normal person would do in this situation is what he actually did, becaise there's a miniscule number of people who have been in this situation.

However, clearly nobody involved had serious suspicions she would harm the kids because she was left alone with them. I'm not sure why that would change when she attempts suicide and says the kids are where they would be expected to be. In fact if he did have suspicious they were probably put at rest when she said they were exactly where they would be if all was well.

This guy has done nothing wrong. He's the victim here. It's the first time I've ever encountered the parter being blamed in a family annihilation case. It's mental.