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I built a calculator for unpaid labour in the house and I want to help people like me.

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AndreaMartina · 30/07/2026 07:55

DD is 5 months old. Was up at 2am the other week doing that maths you do when you can’t sleep, what would it actually cost to pay someone to do everything I did this week.

Couldn’t find anything that let me work it out properly so I ended up building one myself. Free, nothing to buy, but I did make it so factor that in however you like.

There’s also a tracker for logging household stuff over a week, which is uncomfortably useful if you’ve ever tried explaining the mental load to someone who genuinely can’t see it. And a template for having the actual conversation about splitting things, which is the bit I found much harder. They are free resources.

Let me know if you want to calculate yours and I’ll link the calculator.

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Backawayfromthesausage · 30/07/2026 11:53

Where does it stop,

washed and dried my hair. Saved 5o quid on a hairdresser.
washed my clothes, saved 20 quid on dry cleaning.
ironed them, saved 20 quid on ironing lady
emptied the dishwasher, saved a fiver on a house keeper
made breakfast, saved 20 quid on a private chef
drove to work. Saved 5o quid on a chauffeur or taxi
hoovered, saved a tenner in a cleaner.
cut the grass, saved 20 quid on a gardener.
painted my nails, saved a tenner on a manicure,
applied all over moisturiser, saved 30 quid on a beautician,
went to shops and bought food, saved 50 quid on a personal shopper.
read with my daughter, saved 20 quid on a private tutor,
‘cooked kids meals, saved 5o quid on a chef.

i just find if bonkers people try to monetise living.

HappyDenim · 30/07/2026 11:57

AndSoFinally · 30/07/2026 08:16

You’d also have to deduct Board and Lodging fees from your NMW salary (assuming you don’t contribute anything financially to the pot?) so you wouldn’t be left with much!

Most servant jobs of this nature are live in.

Backawayfromthesausage · 30/07/2026 12:06

HappyDenim · 30/07/2026 11:57

Most servant jobs of this nature are live in.

But the wages reflect that. Who on earth wants to equate themselves to a servant. If you feel like one. Leave. But take note, you still need to care for your kids 50 percent of tthe time and clean your own house.

AnonyMumAuDHD · 30/07/2026 12:10

cityliving99 · 30/07/2026 11:39

So what about when your children have left home? I work full time, but my husband works longer hours. He does the cooking and DIY. I do the gardening and housework. We share all the other chores. I also help an elderly relative and do their cleaning too. We are lucky if we sit down before 9pm.
I raised 3 children, whilst working and he was working mostly overseas. I never thought about what my equivalent salary should be. The teenage years nearly broke me.
its called a partnership…..

Erm, so what about it? We were older parents when we had our, my husband will retire around the time that our DC finish university, so he needs to work until then to subsidise their living expenses as they get the minimum loan. But as an older woman who has been home based for 20 years [I have run child care businesses, gone back to uni, been a volunteer and held senior roles in those organisations with significant responsibility attached] I cannot now get ‘back into work’. I worked FT until I was 36, earned enough to contribute substantially to the deposits on our family home and to ensure I have a full state pension, but my job was one that also required travel, long hours and commuting so could not be sustained with small children and no family support. We chose to let mine go and plough time, support and resources into ensuring DH’s career flew.

If you want to have a pissing contest I can match you easily - two SEN autistic children, one with suicidal ideation, self harming and on a social services safety plan, the other with safeguarding programme because of the impact of the other. I was unable to even get through a hot cup of coffee at a PTA meeting due to always being called by school to collect or resolve issues with the eldest. The eldest is a night walker and because of the safety, plan, I did not get more than 3 ours sleep a night for 9 years, and each morning I had to pull myself together to get the other to school by car safely and ensure their SEN needs were also met. As a result I was never able to hold down a job and it was only via flexible home based self-employment that I was able to generate a small income for a few years - until that same MH/SEN challenged child’s issues became so significant that I could no longer run that business. I also fostered two boys PT for 4 years during that period - a friend’s kids, as her life imploded and a difficult divorce left these boys sleeping on peoples floors for weeks on end while she travelled with her job. Unfunded as it I was supporting her and her lovely boys and - being a SAHM - could offer that to her. I have home schooled for the odd year, spent days driving both DC to and from assessment and psychotherapy sessions, speaking to my MP to get referrals expedited… I could go on.

Nearly broke me too, as it has many others. Your having a job doesn’t mean your familial experience and stresses trump mine, or that any of the many other SAHM, who are juggling complex home situations largely alone in order to ensure DH can function and keep his job, does it? Many of us would LIKE to have been able to have a FT/PT job, so to some of us you might be considered privileged to have been able to have one and a partner to share the load so you can maintain it? I know many others who have equally challenging lives, one who had to give up her business because of her own SEN children, and being the only UK based family member to deal with three aging relatives, including several of her DH’s because - like - he works FT and cannot take time of work to look after them himself.

Like I said. MN: that great and empathetic space where women unreservedly support other women knowing that all our different lives are complex, nuanced, often unsupported and that the majority of us are not sitting in David Lloyd necking lattes after pilates. Not.

Backawayfromthesausage · 30/07/2026 12:18

AnonyMumAuDHD · 30/07/2026 12:10

Erm, so what about it? We were older parents when we had our, my husband will retire around the time that our DC finish university, so he needs to work until then to subsidise their living expenses as they get the minimum loan. But as an older woman who has been home based for 20 years [I have run child care businesses, gone back to uni, been a volunteer and held senior roles in those organisations with significant responsibility attached] I cannot now get ‘back into work’. I worked FT until I was 36, earned enough to contribute substantially to the deposits on our family home and to ensure I have a full state pension, but my job was one that also required travel, long hours and commuting so could not be sustained with small children and no family support. We chose to let mine go and plough time, support and resources into ensuring DH’s career flew.

If you want to have a pissing contest I can match you easily - two SEN autistic children, one with suicidal ideation, self harming and on a social services safety plan, the other with safeguarding programme because of the impact of the other. I was unable to even get through a hot cup of coffee at a PTA meeting due to always being called by school to collect or resolve issues with the eldest. The eldest is a night walker and because of the safety, plan, I did not get more than 3 ours sleep a night for 9 years, and each morning I had to pull myself together to get the other to school by car safely and ensure their SEN needs were also met. As a result I was never able to hold down a job and it was only via flexible home based self-employment that I was able to generate a small income for a few years - until that same MH/SEN challenged child’s issues became so significant that I could no longer run that business. I also fostered two boys PT for 4 years during that period - a friend’s kids, as her life imploded and a difficult divorce left these boys sleeping on peoples floors for weeks on end while she travelled with her job. Unfunded as it I was supporting her and her lovely boys and - being a SAHM - could offer that to her. I have home schooled for the odd year, spent days driving both DC to and from assessment and psychotherapy sessions, speaking to my MP to get referrals expedited… I could go on.

Nearly broke me too, as it has many others. Your having a job doesn’t mean your familial experience and stresses trump mine, or that any of the many other SAHM, who are juggling complex home situations largely alone in order to ensure DH can function and keep his job, does it? Many of us would LIKE to have been able to have a FT/PT job, so to some of us you might be considered privileged to have been able to have one and a partner to share the load so you can maintain it? I know many others who have equally challenging lives, one who had to give up her business because of her own SEN children, and being the only UK based family member to deal with three aging relatives, including several of her DH’s because - like - he works FT and cannot take time of work to look after them himself.

Like I said. MN: that great and empathetic space where women unreservedly support other women knowing that all our different lives are complex, nuanced, often unsupported and that the majority of us are not sitting in David Lloyd necking lattes after pilates. Not.

Wow, you dived right off the deep end there and went on the attack no one was playing top trumps with you.

if this has triggered you take a step back,

AnonyMumAuDHD · 30/07/2026 12:33

Backawayfromthesausage · 30/07/2026 12:18

Wow, you dived right off the deep end there and went on the attack no one was playing top trumps with you.

if this has triggered you take a step back,

Yes, it pissed me off because it was conveying that SAHM are less than mothers who work. That the work they do single-handedly to support a second working parent, and their children’s individual and varied needs, is inconsequential because many working couples manage those things between them. And great for them that they can and that those working mothers have the immediate and daily resource of a partner who is present and available to help and support.

But most SAHM that I know don’t have DH’s doing 9-5 down the road, their DH’s are out of the house 12-14hours a day - or all week due to travelling. They are not physically present to help with the gardening, the cleaning, the school runs/admin, to take turns cooking a meal or to do the weekly shop.

The lack of imagination to appreciate that other marriages, other professions, other family needs are not like theirs - which is precisely the reason they are SAHM/P in the first place - is mind-boggling.

honeylulu · 30/07/2026 12:49

HappyDenim · 30/07/2026 11:57

Most servant jobs of this nature are live in.

Servants don't usually get to own a share of the house where they "live in" though!

TwinklySquid · 30/07/2026 12:51

Backawayfromthesausage · 30/07/2026 11:48

labour is normally nof defined as the things you need to do to live. If you wish to define it as such thays fine, but I had children through choice, I live in a home through choice, I raise my kids through choice and I clean my house, drive my car, etc through choice. I do not see it as being forced into some unpaid labour where I need to tell people the value.

this morning I got up, had a shower, got dressed, set up the coffee machine and emptied the dishwasher, at no point was I totting up the cost if I hired someone to bathe me, dress me, make me a coffeee and empty my dishwasher, as that’s life.

tonighr I will make dinner, and water the plants, I don’t think gosh look at me, how much would a chef and Gardener cost, I’m saving thousands doing it myself, thousands!

So a farmer who tends to fields with food in them isn’t doing labour? The definition online is just “hard,physical or mental work”. Nothing to do with stuff you have to do to live.

If you had someone doing all those jobs, you’d have to pay them as it would be seen as work. Why if you do it for your family, it’s not seen as work?

I’ve worked and been a SAHM . I see both as work. Being at home allows for me to save childcare costs to the household as well as doing jobs like cleaning or cooking that I would outsource. Women’s work at home is undervalued.

TwinklySquid · 30/07/2026 12:55

quaintireneofrye · 30/07/2026 11:47

The solution isn't this app, or a spreadsheet charging your spouse for leaving a cupboard door open.
Every person does "unpaid labour" in the home, the garden, with children.
If you're a SAHP then surely the conversation with the working spouse has to be about having a shared bank account and investing for the future .
Otherwise it's just crass tit for tat.

I disagree.
People have always undervalued female labour. Why if I have a cleaner in the house, it’s suddenly paid for work but if I do it, it’s just “part of running the house “?

An App/ calculator /spreadsheet allows men and women to see how much their labour is worth. There are a lot of men who seem to resent their SAHP as they actually “work” as opposed to the person at home who “only” cleans,cooks, does childcare etc. attaching a value to that allows SAHP to see their worth.

honeylulu · 30/07/2026 12:56

Backawayfromthesausage · 30/07/2026 11:53

Where does it stop,

washed and dried my hair. Saved 5o quid on a hairdresser.
washed my clothes, saved 20 quid on dry cleaning.
ironed them, saved 20 quid on ironing lady
emptied the dishwasher, saved a fiver on a house keeper
made breakfast, saved 20 quid on a private chef
drove to work. Saved 5o quid on a chauffeur or taxi
hoovered, saved a tenner in a cleaner.
cut the grass, saved 20 quid on a gardener.
painted my nails, saved a tenner on a manicure,
applied all over moisturiser, saved 30 quid on a beautician,
went to shops and bought food, saved 50 quid on a personal shopper.
read with my daughter, saved 20 quid on a private tutor,
‘cooked kids meals, saved 5o quid on a chef.

i just find if bonkers people try to monetise living.

I agree, its bonkers. Last night I cooked dinner, cleared up, did some tidying. Husband did the food shop, laundry, bins and a couple of garden jobs. So we both benefited from each other's domestic labour. Who do we charge for it then? The kids? Out of their pocket money which we give them?

I'm all for a fair split of domestic labour/downtime but monetising it just makes no sense.

orangehandles · 30/07/2026 12:57

Chalotte · 30/07/2026 08:08

It's true that paid childcare is very expensive. Most parents know that. Isn't the solution for couples most likely to be about sharing the hard work, rather than monitising it?

Putting it in monetary terms makes it easier for even the stupidest of men to understand. They simply can't see the 24/7 'on duty' childcare as anything other than just being at home doing nothing all day.

quaintireneofrye · 30/07/2026 12:59

TwinklySquid · 30/07/2026 12:55

I disagree.
People have always undervalued female labour. Why if I have a cleaner in the house, it’s suddenly paid for work but if I do it, it’s just “part of running the house “?

An App/ calculator /spreadsheet allows men and women to see how much their labour is worth. There are a lot of men who seem to resent their SAHP as they actually “work” as opposed to the person at home who “only” cleans,cooks, does childcare etc. attaching a value to that allows SAHP to see their worth.

How will a spreadsheet help, if the relationship is so bad that a man doesn't value what you do?
I was a SAHM. I was valued. Then my husband became critically ill and had to give up work. I then supported the family.
That's how relationships work.
Neither of us made any calculations about what the other did, or how much it "cost"
We are adults. We are parents. It's our life.

quaintireneofrye · 30/07/2026 13:00

orangehandles · 30/07/2026 12:57

Putting it in monetary terms makes it easier for even the stupidest of men to understand. They simply can't see the 24/7 'on duty' childcare as anything other than just being at home doing nothing all day.

Why on earth would you stay with a man who had that attitude?

TwinklySquid · 30/07/2026 13:04

quaintireneofrye · 30/07/2026 12:59

How will a spreadsheet help, if the relationship is so bad that a man doesn't value what you do?
I was a SAHM. I was valued. Then my husband became critically ill and had to give up work. I then supported the family.
That's how relationships work.
Neither of us made any calculations about what the other did, or how much it "cost"
We are adults. We are parents. It's our life.

Because not all men are shits. Some have been raised in one way and need to see that actually SAHP do equally contribute.

honeylulu · 30/07/2026 13:05

quaintireneofrye · 30/07/2026 12:59

How will a spreadsheet help, if the relationship is so bad that a man doesn't value what you do?
I was a SAHM. I was valued. Then my husband became critically ill and had to give up work. I then supported the family.
That's how relationships work.
Neither of us made any calculations about what the other did, or how much it "cost"
We are adults. We are parents. It's our life.

Yes, quite. If the man doesn't value SAHM role then it's really not a workable set up and both partners end up feeling shortchanged. SAHP feels not valued. WOHP feels like I work and pay for everything so you can sit on your arse. Disastrous to be a SAHM when the man has this attitude.

PrettyLittleRose · 30/07/2026 13:07

quaintireneofrye · 30/07/2026 11:50

Yes, indeed. I'm glad MNHQ have removed the link, anyway.
Meanwhile I've charged my DH £1.20 because he didn't close a cupboard door.

My husband just walked out of the dining room and didn't take his little side plate and mug with him into the kitchen, OR his empty crisp packet. I had to take them in with mine! 😠

So that's £2.50 I'm charging him. He's lucky I was going in the kitchen to take mine in, or he would have been looking at £5.00! Wink

WhatAMarvelousTune · 30/07/2026 13:09

quaintireneofrye · 30/07/2026 12:59

How will a spreadsheet help, if the relationship is so bad that a man doesn't value what you do?
I was a SAHM. I was valued. Then my husband became critically ill and had to give up work. I then supported the family.
That's how relationships work.
Neither of us made any calculations about what the other did, or how much it "cost"
We are adults. We are parents. It's our life.

Yes this is my issue with it. If I have to put it in monetary values on a spreadsheet to make the person I am married to actually value me, I’m really not interested in that relationship.
A good relationship shouldn’t need this. And if a relationship does need it, I doubt this will save it.

I also don’t like the monetary idea of it anyway. If both people in a couple work full time, but he earns more, does she need to do more of the housework to make up for the lower value she’s bringing in from employment? Of course not! But if you start putting money as the key way of showing value and making things “equal”, then where does that end?

PrettyLittleRose · 30/07/2026 13:10

Backawayfromthesausage · 30/07/2026 12:18

Wow, you dived right off the deep end there and went on the attack no one was playing top trumps with you.

if this has triggered you take a step back,

Yes, that post was quite bizarre wasn't it? I wonder if that poster meant to put it on another thread? It doesn't relate to this one at all, and also, it's a very odd post. Confused

quaintireneofrye · 30/07/2026 13:11

WhatAMarvelousTune · 30/07/2026 13:09

Yes this is my issue with it. If I have to put it in monetary values on a spreadsheet to make the person I am married to actually value me, I’m really not interested in that relationship.
A good relationship shouldn’t need this. And if a relationship does need it, I doubt this will save it.

I also don’t like the monetary idea of it anyway. If both people in a couple work full time, but he earns more, does she need to do more of the housework to make up for the lower value she’s bringing in from employment? Of course not! But if you start putting money as the key way of showing value and making things “equal”, then where does that end?

Absolutely 💯

quaintireneofrye · 30/07/2026 13:14

PrettyLittleRose · 30/07/2026 13:07

My husband just walked out of the dining room and didn't take his little side plate and mug with him into the kitchen, OR his empty crisp packet. I had to take them in with mine! 😠

So that's £2.50 I'm charging him. He's lucky I was going in the kitchen to take mine in, or he would have been looking at £5.00! Wink

I hope you're keeping a running total. Now I'm thinking how much to charge my son for spilling beer on the kitchen floor, but then again he did the Heimlich manoeuvre on his dad last month so I'm going to have to work this one out.

NeverDropYourMooncup · 30/07/2026 13:17

quaintireneofrye · 30/07/2026 13:14

I hope you're keeping a running total. Now I'm thinking how much to charge my son for spilling beer on the kitchen floor, but then again he did the Heimlich manoeuvre on his dad last month so I'm going to have to work this one out.

Did he have life insurance? Your DS could have cost you thousands.

quaintireneofrye · 30/07/2026 13:20

NeverDropYourMooncup · 30/07/2026 13:17

Did he have life insurance? Your DS could have cost you thousands.

Oh my god. You're right.

Anarchy99 · 30/07/2026 13:28

TwinklySquid · 30/07/2026 12:51

So a farmer who tends to fields with food in them isn’t doing labour? The definition online is just “hard,physical or mental work”. Nothing to do with stuff you have to do to live.

If you had someone doing all those jobs, you’d have to pay them as it would be seen as work. Why if you do it for your family, it’s not seen as work?

I’ve worked and been a SAHM . I see both as work. Being at home allows for me to save childcare costs to the household as well as doing jobs like cleaning or cooking that I would outsource. Women’s work at home is undervalued.

Because if it’s work there are certain obligations. You are expected to do a job to a certain standard, and if not you are subject to procedures.

If a husband moaned about his wife’s cleaning skills there would be riots on here. However if he is paying for her to do it, he would then have the right to complain, put her on a warning etc.

In any case there is little or nothing that women do purely for others - domestic stuff would need to be done in any case so why should a partner pay for the house to be cleaned/dinner to be cooked when the person doing it is benefitting as well.

You can’t even list childcare as a selfless act, assuming that once you got pregnant you made an active choice to keep the child.

This is just a way for (some) people to present themselves as saints who devote every waking moment to others.

Anarchy99 · 30/07/2026 13:30

TwinklySquid · 30/07/2026 12:51

So a farmer who tends to fields with food in them isn’t doing labour? The definition online is just “hard,physical or mental work”. Nothing to do with stuff you have to do to live.

If you had someone doing all those jobs, you’d have to pay them as it would be seen as work. Why if you do it for your family, it’s not seen as work?

I’ve worked and been a SAHM . I see both as work. Being at home allows for me to save childcare costs to the household as well as doing jobs like cleaning or cooking that I would outsource. Women’s work at home is undervalued.

A farmer is working though. He is relying on his crops or animals to provide a living for him. If he didn’t do the work, he would have to pay someone else to do it.

PrettyLittleRose · 30/07/2026 13:36

quaintireneofrye · 30/07/2026 13:14

I hope you're keeping a running total. Now I'm thinking how much to charge my son for spilling beer on the kitchen floor, but then again he did the Heimlich manoeuvre on his dad last month so I'm going to have to work this one out.

😆