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3 year old injured by crocodiles - man arrested

409 replies

DecisionTime123 · 18/06/2026 19:18

So I assume the man deliberately placed the child into the crocodile enclosure. Psychopath? Sounds similar to the man who threw the boy off the Tate?

(And also, not connected but these places are shit for the animals and should be shut down)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czx50n2vj74o

(& apologies if thread already started?)

A crocodile with its mouth open  in an enclosure near a wooden walkway going through the centre

Man arrested after boy injured in zoo crocodile enclosure

A 30-year-old man has been arrested after a child ended up in a crocodile enclosure at a farm zoo.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czx50n2vj74o

OP posts:
XenoBitch · 18/06/2026 22:39

Honeyhonay · 18/06/2026 22:37

You’re not saying it was the parent’s fault and yet here you are again making the suggestions that it could be. Odd.

Why are you claiming we don’t know how the boy got into the enclosure?? A man was arrested, it’s quite clear a number of eyewitnesses seen the man throw the boy into the enclosure otherwise how would a man unknown to the boy be arrested for the attempted murder?

I asked where they were. That is literally the only time I mentioned them.
I think that is a reasonable thing to ask seeing as some parents do actually just let their kids run about etc.
It is no different to asking where the carers were.

But again, this is all speculation and I am sure the truth will come out soon.

35965a · 18/06/2026 22:40

I’ve asked for this thread to be deleted as it’s an absolute shitshow

Kirbert2 · 18/06/2026 22:41

XenoBitch · 18/06/2026 22:39

I asked where they were. That is literally the only time I mentioned them.
I think that is a reasonable thing to ask seeing as some parents do actually just let their kids run about etc.
It is no different to asking where the carers were.

But again, this is all speculation and I am sure the truth will come out soon.

Well, exactly.

It is pretty much all speculation at this point. Including the fact that he had carers and a disability.

XenoBitch · 18/06/2026 22:41

shutuporsaysomething · 18/06/2026 22:38

I’m not worried about me. I just hoped you’d realise that some of things you’ve posted are completely inappropriate and could cause hurt.

No, there are multiple comments on here that will cause more hurt to the loved ones of people with SN.

But that is ok on here it seems.

BertieBotts · 18/06/2026 22:41

Happytaytos · 18/06/2026 22:11

I don't think it's prejudice to say this man needed better supervision, better risk assessment and possibly not being allowed out in public had he ever showed tendency towards harming children.

That's not saying everyone with SEN is locked up forever.

There's a balance. In this example, society got it wrong.

If you follow the thread history back to the start of this quote chain, I am responding to the original statement that the zoo ought to have "separate visiting hours for those with severe MH / SN" which I think is an appalling suggestion.

Quite apart from anything else it suggests that it wouldn't matter if another person with MH difficulties or LD was injured, as long as the "normal" people are safe.

I know you didn't say that, but you are replying in agreement with it and I happened to pick your response on the comment chain because it was the most recent at the time that I posted.

The original comment was not referring to this specific (alleged) man, it was referring to all people with MH problems or LD.

We don't know if any of the things suggested would have prevented the incident, we won't know that until any hearing or inquiry is completed.

Honeyhonay · 18/06/2026 22:42

Britneyfan · 18/06/2026 22:39

@Honeyhonay you're kind of missing the context in which @XenoBitch was posting. Which was in response to multiple disgusting ableist posts being made saying that people with mental health issues or learning disabilities shouldn’t have the right to liberty (which is the opposite of what UK law states).

And she clearly gave HYPOTHETICAL examples based on her knowledge of someone with a learning disability. In order to try to get people to understand that there could be scenarios where this wasn’t just a murderous nasty man intent on causing harm, but someone acting or reacting to something in an unpredictable manner due to their underlying issues.

And clearly expressed sympathy for the 3 year old and their family (which for most people kind of goes without saying anyway unless you’re an actual psychopath, a 3 year old was mauled and critically injured by crocodiles at the zoo for goodness sake, OF COURSE it’s a horrendous disturbing tragedy).

No, they didn’t say that actually. The posts suggested someone had a history of violent tendencies that present a risk to others then there are times it’s not suitable to be out in public settings.
Point out one comment that simply said disabled people shouldn’t be allowed out?

Your comment is making even less sense in the wider context. If you’re admitting that minor things like the noise of a small child are a known trigger for someone’s violent tendencies, yet at the same time you think there should never be any restrictions on who this dangerous person is allowed around?
If something as simple as a child making noise is enough for a grown man to pick the child up and throw them into a crocodile enclosure then there have been serious failures to allow this violent person around vulnerable children who haven’t consented int the first place.

myglowupera · 18/06/2026 22:43

Children shouldn’t be thrown from buildings and in to crocodile pits and that includes by people with SN. I have no idea what made his carers think it would be a good idea to stand at them little fences above a crocodile pit when he clearly acts on impulse. Easily overwhelmed by children/noise. He’s dangerous and should not have been there. I have two children with Autism and all of my sympathy is firmly with the little boy and his family.

XenoBitch · 18/06/2026 22:43

Britneyfan · 18/06/2026 22:39

@Honeyhonay you're kind of missing the context in which @XenoBitch was posting. Which was in response to multiple disgusting ableist posts being made saying that people with mental health issues or learning disabilities shouldn’t have the right to liberty (which is the opposite of what UK law states).

And she clearly gave HYPOTHETICAL examples based on her knowledge of someone with a learning disability. In order to try to get people to understand that there could be scenarios where this wasn’t just a murderous nasty man intent on causing harm, but someone acting or reacting to something in an unpredictable manner due to their underlying issues.

And clearly expressed sympathy for the 3 year old and their family (which for most people kind of goes without saying anyway unless you’re an actual psychopath, a 3 year old was mauled and critically injured by crocodiles at the zoo for goodness sake, OF COURSE it’s a horrendous disturbing tragedy).

Thank you. That is exactly what I was saying.
This place... 🙄

Honeyhonay · 18/06/2026 22:43

XenoBitch · 18/06/2026 22:41

No, there are multiple comments on here that will cause more hurt to the loved ones of people with SN.

But that is ok on here it seems.

Are hurt feeling more important than a critically injured child!

Periperi2025 · 18/06/2026 22:44

DaisyChain505 · 18/06/2026 21:55

Accidents also happen. Children climb things, people slip and fall. Either way, if this wasn’t a possibility to start with this boy wouldn’t have nearly lost his life. I wouldn’t be surprised if the zoo is told to immediately change its set up.

A guy stole a rabbit from the petting zone at colwyn bay zoo and threw it in to the crocodiles, 20 years ago, The barrier system, a similar hip height barrier is still the same there now.

I don't think you can change everything for every single possible, but highly unlikely, scenerio, like today's situation and Colwyn Bays 2005 situation. You wouldn't have drive through safari's for a start, anyone can open a window or door at any time, they are just trusted not to.

AllaFieraDellEst · 18/06/2026 22:44

I really hope the little boy is alright. My son is almost three years old. It really doesn't bear thinking about.

I have a brother who is a couple of years older than me (he's almost 40) and he is profoundly autistic. He lives in a supported home with one other autistic adult and live-in carers. He is essentially "locked in" because he is non-verbal and has very limited ability to communicate.

He has a number of triggers, including dogs, children, coughing and people crossing their arms. We don't know why some of these triggers exist, although we have sometimes wondered whether certain behaviours may remind him of negative experiences in the past. When distressed, he can become aggressive and has attacked people before.

Because of this, he cannot simply be taken out into public places in the way most people can. He does go out, but only under carefully managed conditions. Walks are usually in remote locations where there are very few other people around, and if a potential trigger such as a dog appears in the distance, his carers will often change direction or return to the car. He also goes swimming once a week, with the local council making special arrangements to close the pool for a couple of hours during a quiet period so that he can use it safely. It is not easy, but my parents and his carers make it work.

If it does turn out that the person responsible was an autistic man with significant support needs, then the carers involved and those responsible for overseeing his care have serious questions to answer. They must be held accountable.

Taking an autistic adult to see wild animals was a bloody stupid thing to do. As a non-meat eater, I'm already pretty opposed to zoos. This has only reinforced my view that they're fundamentally horrible, horrible places.

StressedSupportWorker · 18/06/2026 22:44

RedToothBrush · 18/06/2026 22:30

Again, that's not going to be in the report. I'll put a fiver on it being about previous behaviour.

I'm going to put a fiver on that, and another quid on the support worker(s)/carer(s) for the day being agency workers due to high turnover of permanent staff at this man's care setting.

If it turns out they were permanent contracted staff, I'll put a fiver on those staff members already being known to use their mobile phones constantly on shift, but no action had been taken by management because it was too much effort.

Tinywhitebutterfly · 18/06/2026 22:44

Edit - this is in reply to a specific poster

You say all we know is that the boys 'ended up' in the crocodile enclosure, everything else is speculation. You're leaving out the fact that a 30 year old man has been arrested for attempted murder.

It seems unlikely that he would have been arrested for attempted murder - not assault, not child endangerment - if he was just helping a little boy to see the crocodiles, as you think his parents were ignoring him.

The view that adults with SNs would never commit a dangerous act just doesn't hold up, at all.

No one has suggested that all SN adults be locked up, as you keep alledging, but rights bring responsibilities.

DrBlackbird · 18/06/2026 22:47

KvotheTheBloodless · 18/06/2026 21:39

Those carers will be on minimum wage, or close to it. How much responsibility is it appropriate to put onto people paid so little?

However, as a side note, there is a carer crisis in the UK, I've seen many carers over the last few years just do the job as they want a wage, not because it's something they want to do, and depending on the employer, very little training is given before you're expected to just know what to do. It's an easy job to get into, not easy to actually do it well.

Both of these. Carers are paid NMW. It’s often a demanding and stressful job that not many want to do. Working with clients with challenging behaviours. It’s not work that we, as a society, particularly value or see as being ’skilled’. Though skilled carers is what we need more of.

BertieBotts · 18/06/2026 22:48

Honeyhonay · 18/06/2026 22:42

No, they didn’t say that actually. The posts suggested someone had a history of violent tendencies that present a risk to others then there are times it’s not suitable to be out in public settings.
Point out one comment that simply said disabled people shouldn’t be allowed out?

Your comment is making even less sense in the wider context. If you’re admitting that minor things like the noise of a small child are a known trigger for someone’s violent tendencies, yet at the same time you think there should never be any restrictions on who this dangerous person is allowed around?
If something as simple as a child making noise is enough for a grown man to pick the child up and throw them into a crocodile enclosure then there have been serious failures to allow this violent person around vulnerable children who haven’t consented int the first place.

Edited

The poster called Inastasus suggested the zoo should have separate visiting hours for people with mental health difficulties or special needs. Which is basically saying they shouldn't be allowed to be in the same space as the rest of us. They didn't mention anything about history of violent tendencies or presenting a risk.

Happytaytos · 18/06/2026 22:51

BertieBotts · 18/06/2026 22:41

If you follow the thread history back to the start of this quote chain, I am responding to the original statement that the zoo ought to have "separate visiting hours for those with severe MH / SN" which I think is an appalling suggestion.

Quite apart from anything else it suggests that it wouldn't matter if another person with MH difficulties or LD was injured, as long as the "normal" people are safe.

I know you didn't say that, but you are replying in agreement with it and I happened to pick your response on the comment chain because it was the most recent at the time that I posted.

The original comment was not referring to this specific (alleged) man, it was referring to all people with MH problems or LD.

We don't know if any of the things suggested would have prevented the incident, we won't know that until any hearing or inquiry is completed.

That's not the way I read the comment. I read it that there would be no small children there, so if that was a risk factor for someone to cause harm, that risk factor is eliminated.

It would also mean that all people there would be a similar age, meaning less disparity in strength. Obviously men and women have physical differences, but again, minimises some risk.

An SEN/MH adult session would presumably still need carers to attend without SEN/MH so not sure your point about "normal" people stands either.

Britneyfan · 18/06/2026 22:51

@XenoBitch pretty sure there are some people on mumsnet who just enjoy deliberately misunderstanding and being contrary. Having said that, I will agree she probably has a point about it being unfair on the family to suggest the child’s parents’ supervision of their child could have been a factor. I actually hadn’t realised it was you who’d said that, thought it was someone else. I can’t imagine how upsetting that would be to read if you were the parents, and like you say it’s so hard to have your eyes on a 3 year old at all times especially if they’re in an e closed space you perceive as safe, so I do get that aspect of things. But I’m with you on everything else you said!

BeardySchnauzer · 18/06/2026 22:52

Why is the suggestion for having special times for an adults so bad? Isn’t it like supermarkets having special sessions for people who are easily overwhelmed? If a proper risk assessment shows that someone would struggle with the noise of young children etc then a special session would be perfect

also, if it turns out he has LD and needed carers then he has also been let down as he has clearly been put in a situation that wasn’t great for him and now with the police and then press attention he is likely to end up in a very bad place.

Chatot · 18/06/2026 22:54

I've been thinking about this all day. It's horrifying and I can't imagine what the family is going through.

While I understand that the carers couldn't have predicted this, I think if the things posted in this thread are true, there has to be some responsibility taken there. Yes it might be a complete shock that he attacked a child, but if he has such severe needs that he needs two carers, surely they should have been watching him more closely for his own safety? Judging from the pictures, the barriers were high enough to stop most young children climbing over but not an adult man.

I think phone addiction is an issue we just keep ignoring but people are going around like zombies. Thirty years ago, people were still incompetent of course, and feasibly could have been busy chatting so not paying attention but I think phones uniquely hold people's attention in a way that leaves them unaware of their surroundings.

It should absolutely not be normal that a carer is on their phone when they are supposed to be looking after someone, and if it's so difficult to spend a day at the zoo without stopping to scroll then that should be concerning in itself.

XenoBitch · 18/06/2026 22:55

Honeyhonay · 18/06/2026 22:43

Are hurt feeling more important than a critically injured child!

Parents on here reading that you think their SN kids should be locked up... actual MN members reading those comments.

I doubt the parents of the boy injured today are even online.

EasternStandard · 18/06/2026 22:55

Britneyfan · 18/06/2026 22:51

@XenoBitch pretty sure there are some people on mumsnet who just enjoy deliberately misunderstanding and being contrary. Having said that, I will agree she probably has a point about it being unfair on the family to suggest the child’s parents’ supervision of their child could have been a factor. I actually hadn’t realised it was you who’d said that, thought it was someone else. I can’t imagine how upsetting that would be to read if you were the parents, and like you say it’s so hard to have your eyes on a 3 year old at all times especially if they’re in an e closed space you perceive as safe, so I do get that aspect of things. But I’m with you on everything else you said!

Yes the parents don’t need that speculation re not paying attention etc.

It’s not unusual to assume a three year old isn’t at risk for what happened.

StressedSupportWorker · 18/06/2026 22:55

DrBlackbird · 18/06/2026 22:47

However, as a side note, there is a carer crisis in the UK, I've seen many carers over the last few years just do the job as they want a wage, not because it's something they want to do, and depending on the employer, very little training is given before you're expected to just know what to do. It's an easy job to get into, not easy to actually do it well.

Both of these. Carers are paid NMW. It’s often a demanding and stressful job that not many want to do. Working with clients with challenging behaviours. It’s not work that we, as a society, particularly value or see as being ’skilled’. Though skilled carers is what we need more of.

There's also the health side. You have to be au fait, or willing to become au fait, with slight signs of ill health, in someone who may be be hyposensitive to pain or otherwise unable to tell you that they're ill.

On average, people with learning disabilities die 20 years younger than people without learning disabilities, and inability to communicate about easily-treated health conditions has a lot to do with that. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c939311dpn1o

An anonymous woman sitting in an upright hospital bed. She is looking out of a window and her back is facing the camera. She is wearing a blue hospital gown.

Adults with learning disabilities die 20 years early, says report

People with learning disabilities and autism die almost 20 years younger than the rest of the population.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c939311dpn1o

EasternStandard · 18/06/2026 22:56

XenoBitch · 18/06/2026 22:55

Parents on here reading that you think their SN kids should be locked up... actual MN members reading those comments.

I doubt the parents of the boy injured today are even online.

It doesn’t matter really. They don’t need the speculation.

Britneyfan · 18/06/2026 22:57

@DrBlackbird I totally agree. We should value carers roles more. As usual, because it’s dominated by women, it essentially becomes almost worthless to society. I would drop my career and become a full time carer like a shot if the pay was half-decent, because I believe I have the right temperament and skills for it and would do a good job. As a student doing the job in uni holidays, I saw some amazing carers going above and beyond, and some absolutely appalling ones who were downright abusive (I did report them too!)

XenoBitch · 18/06/2026 23:01

Tinywhitebutterfly · 18/06/2026 22:44

Edit - this is in reply to a specific poster

You say all we know is that the boys 'ended up' in the crocodile enclosure, everything else is speculation. You're leaving out the fact that a 30 year old man has been arrested for attempted murder.

It seems unlikely that he would have been arrested for attempted murder - not assault, not child endangerment - if he was just helping a little boy to see the crocodiles, as you think his parents were ignoring him.

The view that adults with SNs would never commit a dangerous act just doesn't hold up, at all.

No one has suggested that all SN adults be locked up, as you keep alledging, but rights bring responsibilities.

Edited

Cops turn up and arrest on what they see first. They are not a judge or jury. They can't decide any action was due to MH or SN.
That is for the CPS.