3 year old injured by crocodiles - man arrested

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So I assume the man deliberately placed the child into the crocodile enclosure. Psychopath? Sounds similar to the man who threw the boy off the Tate?

(And also, not connected but these places are shit for the animals and should be shut down)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czx50n2vj74o

(& apologies if thread already started?)

Well await the report.

I bet you a fiver there is a history of behaviour of concern.

For you to have an assessment that you need 2:1 there will be something there about one person being unable to manage his behaviour sufficiently.

I imagine the zoo has a plan for what to do if someone falls in an enclosure, however unlikely. I doubt they ever expected someone would throw someone in.

I actually said ONE comment about how sad it would be to see a disabled person locked up.
One comment.

Why is it being presented as a dichotomy on this thread? Why isn't the answer "create a safe, pleasant and well-resourced environment where their needs can be met without endangering others"?

I have a disabled aunt who lives in an excellent supported private facility that's really cleverly designed to help her be as independent as she needs.

I was also witness to a violent attack on my 6yosister by a mentally unwell woman on day release when I was a child.

Walking down a high street isn't some innate right if it presents a risk to others. It's also not as if we have to stuff the mad wife in the attic.

2:1 can be for epilepsy, medical needs, moving and handling. Not only challenging behaviour.

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My life! I’d always thought his two carers were with him! That’s just so upsetting. No words really. 😞
Thanks for correcting and enlightening me.

It’s not on to speculate with what were the parents doing as in pp.

You made one comment about how sad it would be for an attempted murder to be locked up after an attempted murder.
You also went on to suggest, on multiple occasions, that the man probably hasn’t done anything at all of concern before.
You tried to suggest all the reasons that the 3 year old boy or his parents might be to blame for the strange man picking the young child up and dropping or throwing him into a crocodile enclosure.

Frankly your comments on this post have been weird and disgusting.

Again, that's not going to be in the report. I'll put a fiver on it being about previous behaviour.

I did not fault the parents. I made one comment asking where they were?
I don't think that is nasty at all. They could have been metres away and not paying attention for all we know. Sometimes parents take their eyes off the ball and are not totally blameless when their kid wanders off and gets into trouble. I am not saying this was the case here at all.

Literally, all we know is a small boy ended up in the crocodile enclosure, and it is speculated that a man aided him there.... threw him over, or lifted him up... we don't know.

And just for you.... thoughts and prayers for the little boy. Because that actualyl helps 🙄

Yep.

I'm assuming in this case, it is due to challenging behaviour with what happened to the poor little boy but as you said, it isn't the only reason.

My son has 2:1 and doesn't have challenging behaviour.

They don’t need the speculation re being metres away and not paying attention.

Seriously you need to stop.

I think the posts about how people with SN should be locked up is more weird and disgusting.

Yet is ok to speculate that someone with SN is a child killer and meant to do it?

Then stop reading my comments and replying to them.
It is that easy.

Nobody has said that.

Have you read the thread?

You’re not saying it was the parent’s fault and yet here you are again making the suggestions that it could be. Odd.

Why are you claiming we don’t know how the boy got into the enclosure?? A man was arrested, it’s quite clear a number of eyewitnesses seen the man throw the boy into the enclosure otherwise how would a man unknown to the boy be arrested for the attempted murder?

Only on MN

I have a son with severe learning difficulties.

You can have SLD and be a arsehole.

You can be a dad and child sex offender.

You can be a teacher and kill your child.

These things are not mutually exclusive and to truly safeguard you need to look at the crime and child before the perps protected characteristics. Because it's all illegal even if you are in a protected group. Otherwise we are saying 'it's OK because they as XYZ'. It's OK because I don't want to appear prejudice.

My dh isn't a rapist. Neither are my sons. Yet I don't get offended on their behalf when I hear men rape.

Next it's not going to be OK to say most rapists are men, as it upsets men.

No worries. Sorry, I should've put some sort of trigger warning with the link. It doesn't make nice reading.

If someone presents a pattern of violence against others persons they are either criminally responsible or their behaviour is often a level which requires sufficient supervision. If anything appropriate level isnt sufficient we absolutely should be locking away. Because the priority should be protection of the innocent/vulnerable parties and about the level of responsibility of those legally charge with care.

There will always be a small number for whom locking up is appropriate and there isn't an alternative solution.

How do you accidentally lift a child that you don’t know, to a height of 1.4m and drop or throw them over a fence?

I’m not worried about me. I just hoped you’d realise that some of things you’ve posted are completely inappropriate and could cause hurt.

@Honeyhonay you're kind of missing the context in which @XenoBitch was posting. Which was in response to multiple disgusting ableist posts being made saying that people with mental health issues or learning disabilities shouldn’t have the right to liberty (which is the opposite of what UK law states).

And she clearly gave HYPOTHETICAL examples based on her knowledge of someone with a learning disability. In order to try to get people to understand that there could be scenarios where this wasn’t just a murderous nasty man intent on causing harm, but someone acting or reacting to something in an unpredictable manner due to their underlying issues.

And clearly expressed sympathy for the 3 year old and their family (which for most people kind of goes without saying anyway unless you’re an actual psychopath, a 3 year old was mauled and critically injured by crocodiles at the zoo for goodness sake, OF COURSE it’s a horrendous disturbing tragedy).