3 year old injured by crocodiles - man arrested

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So I assume the man deliberately placed the child into the crocodile enclosure. Psychopath? Sounds similar to the man who threw the boy off the Tate?

(And also, not connected but these places are shit for the animals and should be shut down)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czx50n2vj74o

(& apologies if thread already started?)

Both can be true. Awful for the child injured and the family, awful to lock away a young man. Though I thjnk the strongest reactions are being fed by suggestions that people who have a learning disability, are autistic, are mentally unwell shouldn't be around the rest of the general public 'in case'. It was a well won fight for the disability community to claim back human rights, mh and ld 'care in the community', acceptance. Please dont be part of the voice that tries to send us all back to the dark ages

Why would it be “awful” to lock him away though?
He committed a severe and violent crime against a very young defenceless child, it’s not sad for that person to get punished.

Isn’t the point that care in the community isn’t working given the cases we’ve had recently. That’s not to say everyone should be locked up but the system needs looking at to ensure risks are assessed. There is undoubtedly a tiny proportion of people who will need to be ‘locked up’ to keep others and themselves safe. But for everyone else who isn’t able to live independently the system isn’t working for them either

and we also see this where care is pushed onto families who aren’t able to cope

@spstchmu “awful to lock away a young man” - are you joking? Awful to lock away a man who threw a child into a crocodile pit? Strewth.

Agree !
I can’t believe what I’m reading! He threw a toddler into a pit of crocodiles …he needs locking up for life end of. No ifs no buts.

Imagine the parents sheer terror seeing that crocodiles are killers it’s a miracle he is alive. I don’t even like watching crocodiles on TV they terrify me.

The person who did this needs locking up so he can’t harm anyone again, ever again.

We need to protect the vulnerable firstly and mostly even if that is from another type of vulnerable.

A 30 year old man with two careers should of never been able to get close enough to lay hands on a child full stop. If the careers cannot manage that then the person doesn’t go out.

Because they are a risk to others and themselves. I’d protect a 3 year old all day long over a mentally unwell adult. Sorry but tough shit on that one. If you cannot be kept under control in public then no you shouldn’t be out in public.

Thats not to say all Sen people obviously loads don’t even need one career let alone two and are able to lead very independent lives but that’s not this man and that wasn’t the case in the Tate either.

I agree… if you’re not safe, you can’t be in these environments. That’s not to criticise the carers either btw, like I know of disabled adults who have two carers and honestly if they wanted to do something they totally still could. I think we need to look at who’s making the decisions that they’d be safe with two carers.

It must be very hard. A grown man can react very quickly and basically do something horrific. It’d be hard for carers to intercept.

I don’t believe this guy was totally safe to be around kids last week and then suddenly flipped and threw a toddler into a crocodile pit. Anyone who is that unpredictable shouldn’t be out with a lone female carer.

My mother has been sectioned numerous times. Mainly because she’s a danger to herself but when someone is in a state of psychosis you never really know what they might do. Every time she’s been detained it’s been the right thing but often a few weeks later than it should have been. Now I’d expect children even very ones to understand there is a degree of danger linked to heights and crocodiles. If this individual didn’t grasp that then I’m afraid his needs are so severe he really isn’t ever going to be safe to be around the public.

Jonty Bravery was younger than this man when he was locked away. Worse, the nasty meanies sent him to a secure mental hospital. Sad for the young boy he threw off the Tate, but sad for poor Jonty too, right?

FFS!

This man is alleged to have thrown a very young child from a height into a crocodile pit! It’s not ‘sad’ if he’s never allowed to be in a position where he can do anything like that again.

If he's as mentally disabled as reports are suggesting, then there's absolutely no point punishing him. He should of course never be put in a position where he could hurt a child, or other vulnerable person, again -and if that means a secure unit, so be it.

People want him locked away in prison.
He was not even considered fit to be questioned due to the extent of his disabilities.

I have a friend who DD has Tourettes. She shouts out swear words. But that is "ok" because she is a slightly built early 20s woman. People smile instead. But a man does it with the same condition... lock him up.

Some disabilities cause people to act a bit strange... I mentioned upthread about the lady I see that tries to bite people that get close. She literally just throws her head forward and does a biting action. She does not grab people and bite their arm. If she did not have carers with her, it would only be a matter of time before someone beats her up. Many SN people have carers to protect them from the public, and not the other way around.

i don’t think most people have specified prison - he obviously needs to be somewhere he can be kept safe and other people can be kept safe

Chances are that he lives in some sort of staffed accommodation anyway where he is already kept safe.

I do think this whole incident is a failure of the carers.

Well I agree with you there - in recent years the issues seem to have arisen because no one has done a proper risk assessment or wanted to take any responsibility

thats the bit that needs to change

There may have been nothing to indicate he would do what he did.
If he was a risk in busy environments etc then it was a failure in the part of the carers to take him to the zoo. But he might have gone there several times before with no issue. We don't know.
I assume there will be an investigation into the carers, risk assessments etc. But sometimes, things can't be predicted and just happen...

It is just an awful thing to have happened... for the little boy, the zoo, and the man involved.

Awful for the child and his family as well as the business- not awful at all for the man it seems.

I would say it is awful that a man with severe LD has been demonised online to the point people are calling for the death penalty, and on here... saying he should be in prison... a place totally unsuitable for him.
He was let down by his carers.

And the child was let down by him being there and able to get to him.

.. misunderstood

Unless the carers were completely distracted or not even on hand I’d be loathe to blame them so quickly. A lot of carers are women, and if this man is reasonably well built it wouldn’t be much of a stretch to think they wouldn’t have been able to stop him even if they tried.

I reckon the fault will be with whoever decided he’d be safe in that environment. Carers can only do so much and a man having a violent episode would be difficult to handle for a lot of police officers, let alone carers.

I agree.
But there is a lot we don't know. He may have gone to the zoo lots before and it has all gone fine.
People with LD can be unpredictable, and it may well have been the case his risk assessment prior to his visit did not flag anything up. There is a first time for everything.
it could be that this whole thing was an tragic incident that could not have been predicted, and no one is to blame at all.
But his carers should not have been on their phones (as some places are reporting). I have seen carers on phones, but they have been sat down whilst their client was eating or chatting to someone else. And phones are used to take notes now, so they may well have been doing admin.

I reserve all my sympathy for the defenceless child thrown into a crocodile pit poor and his parents. I can’t imagine the absolute hell they are going through. I can’t find it in myself to feel badly for the “poor perpetrator let down by his carers”.

Of course he has been demonised online (I don’t agree with calls for the death penalty - that is absurd) and calls for him to be locked up are completely understandable. What did you think the public’s response would be? A GoFundMe to ensure he is kept somewhere nice and cosy while he awaits a trial that might take years, if it ever happens, before he is judged fit to stand?

And I would say it’s a normal reaction to demonize someone who could do that to a child. If they’re unable to take responsibility for their actions their rights to freedom should be curtailed accordingly. How can justice be served otherwise? He is enjoying the freedoms of society with none of the requirements for civilized behaviour - is the child just collateral damage so he can have his day at the zoo?