3 year old injured by crocodiles - man arrested

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So I assume the man deliberately placed the child into the crocodile enclosure. Psychopath? Sounds similar to the man who threw the boy off the Tate?

(And also, not connected but these places are shit for the animals and should be shut down)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czx50n2vj74o

(& apologies if thread already started?)

It sounds like it was someone who has learning difficulties and the DM said he allegedly broke away from two carers.

We can only hope he is kept securely locked up but I’m not entirely confident that will be the case. There seems to be so much emphasis on rehabilitation, it’s inhumane to lock anyone up forever or ‘judge them solely on the basis of their worst act’ that I fear the relevant professionals will be manipulated into releasing him in a few years if he manages to put on a sufficiently remorseful act. I don’t want to bring other cases into this but there is a notorious child murderer who convinced multiple experts, a parole board and psychologists that he was fully rehabilitated only to be placed back in prison twice so I have very little faith in the system tbh.

How the fuck has he been bailed?
He should have been remanded to either prison or the hospital

He was given a life term with a minimum of 15 years and he has attached nurses in Broadmoor since, so I suspect his release will be delayed.

I was going to type exactly this.

So yesterday, this man threw a 3 year old into a crocodile pit, and today he's been released.

This is absolutely terrifying. Something has gone very very wrong here with our justice system.

“Lessons will be learned” - ha ha ha ha ha 😡

I know common sense seems to have gone and all the be kind and wokeness putting people in danger!

He threw a 3 year old toddler into a crocodile pit it doesn't get much worse; he needs to be under lock and key it is as simple as that and charge those who were supposed to be his carers with neglect.

Stop the madness of normalising this, never heard anything so disturbing when it came on the news last night it's the stuff of your worst nightmare.

The circling of the waggons by parents of kids with ASD or other SN isn't helping in the way these parents might think. It doesn't help your cause to lump all SN adults together.

You know that your daughter isn't a danger, no one is calling for all SN adults to be locked up.

But, where there are people who need to be closely supervised to ensure they don't harm others, there are legitimate questions to be asked as to how the current care system is working.

Accepting this doesn't put your daughter at risk.

Someone can be bailed into a secure unit while the police only publicly describe it as being "bailed." This happens because "bail" simply means releasing a suspect from police custody on the condition that they return. The exact location where they are required to stay is a specific conditional residence requirement of that bail.

I am quite sure he will be in secure accommodation. I've supported under 19s with complex and challenging behaviour in SEN education settings. The most extreme to support are mobile, v strong and with no understanding of consequences. 2:1 at all times in the school and often 3:1 on external trips. On remand in a prison would not be suitable at all.

Does your daughter need two adults with her to keep her behaviour under control?
If not, then comments on here about some people being too dangerous to be allowed out have nothing to do with your daughter.

This what “full facts” would matter here?
it comes across as ridiculous attempts to blame the child or their parents.

But the pp she was responding to did lump all autistic people together and that is why she said what she did.

The comment said that taking an autistic person to the zoo is a bloody stupid idea. Not severely autistic, not severe SEN, just autistic.

That isn't helpful either.

I was responding to a specific post stating that autistic adults shouldn’t visit zoos. I wasn’t actually talking about the individual who committed this vile act, as I acknowledged in a later post.

My point really was that we can’t lump people with ASD together or it gets ridiculous.

@Kirbert2 Indeed, I'm autistic and I've been to that very zoo. I managed to not throw any toddlers into the crocodile enclosure.

That poor child though. I hope he recovers with no lasting damage. 🥺

I saw a suggestion that the parents should sue the care provider/institution. The fact that he needed two carers for a trip out is not good. Being sued (or fear of) might make risk assessments more stringent in future.

When I see the manacled man near me out, I’m wondering why - save for absolutely necessary appointments - he is off the secure premises.

I very much hope this is the case. It would have been reassuring if the statement had specified that.

Agree, it’s actually going to cause more issues as the original assumption is he’s been bailed back to community

Yes I agree but I believe strict confidentiality laws are in place for vulnerable adults. I don't know the specific laws, someone knowledgeable in this area may help.

Can't believe this dangerous individual charged with attempted murder is out on bail. Lessons will never be learned.

Let’s wait for the full facts … ie there must be a way to downplay this man’s actions.

Oh and blame other people, even the child

He was 20 when he was jailed so even if his release is delayed by several years there will be a 40 something psychopath on the loose at some point unless he is locked up indefinitely and successive parole boards deny his release. We know that men who have committed the most heinous crimes have been released when judged to ‘no longer be a threat to society’ and I can foresee this happening with him at some point.

Where were the parents?
What did this child do to make this poor man throw him into the crocodiles?

exactly, its appalling and comes from a smug “look how righteous I am” place

Hes not been charged. He was unfit for interview and on bail.