Labour isn't Working - Thread 35

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A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour* *government. 💙

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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But they won the GE on the basis of no tax rises. It WAS a major part of their manifesto. They can't back track on it. Of course, he was a fool to make that promise as he'd probably have won the GE anyway.

Yes they’ll be in political strife if they overturn that pledge.

They already have!

True. Although they hid behind the ‘working people’ line. Even though it was a lie. But if they do raise income tax that was one they listed, and the other major taxes.

The WFA wasn't in the manifesto, and that didn't stop them.

It's not legally binding. They're toast at the next GE at this point anyway. They might as well just make a sensible economic decision re taxes and be done with, tbh. If the country is in a better state at the next GE, then they may be forgiven (not that I care if they are or not!).

Snorted out my cheeky rosé with ice cubes when I saw this 😄😄

V good article by Gareth Roberts in the Spectator examining “Labour values” https://spectator.com/article/what-exactly-are-labour-values/

Under Andy Burnham, this is only likely to get more spew-inducing. At his victory rally, he boasted that his campaign was led by ‘strong northern power women’, adding, ‘I wouldn’t mess with them and I suggest that you don’t either.’ Well done, girls! As ever, there’s a line of ladies near the front of Labour, but not one right at the front. The time, somehow, is never quite right.

The word ‘progressive’ – all over both Wes Streeting’s resignation letter and his toe-curling statement of fealty to Burnham – seems to function as a magic talisman of Labour values. Progressing from what and to what? We are never told. It seems to be a Labour synonym for ‘nice’, but without any frame it can mean anything. Cancer is often progressive, after all. Amusingly, some Labour figures have started saying that we should hold Labour governments close to our hearts because they are precious, special things that don’t come around too often – yes, like plagues and world wars.

The terrible, idiotic and damaging VAT policy and just general incompetence of BP under fire

“Bridget Phillipson’s promised 6,500 extra teachers have failed to materialise. She has been reduced to creative accounting in order to talk up historic lows in recruitment and deny the continued crisis in retention. The reasons for this are clear. It is workload, it is pay, it is a complete lack of adequate funding. Those on the frontline have no faith that help is coming.

“Educators have lost confidence in Bridget Phillipson, and Labour members have lost confidence in the government's direction. The party as a whole needs a fundamental change of direction, starting with education. That means new leadership at the top of the party and new leadership in the Department for Education.”

https://neu.org.uk/latest/press-releases/government-fails-new-polls-teachers-and-support-staff-and-labours-own-members

I love the line in Roberts’s article about ‘progressives’ that “Cancer is often progressive, after all.”

Spot on. Yet another preening and stupid left-wing term intended falsely to convey some superior moral or social value on themselves.

Saw the PMQ about Bridget P - hilarious. So what she’s achieved is pull herself out of poverty, clap clap. That’s not really achieving anything for the uk’s children is it? Kemi v good on this.

10 years ago I was one of the new teachers recruited from industry. The training was abysmal - the ‘university’ lecturers wouldn’t have lasted 5 minutes in the private sector.
Did lots of supply in state schools, then took a permanent role in an independent school where teachers were trusted and treated as professionals. I left last year, but that school is now struggling financially as a result of this government. Teachers who leave the school do not go into the state sector, they are highly qualified and get other good private sector jobs outside education.
No competent person would go into a state education sysrem with an utterly incompetent Education Minister like BP.

@LupaMoonhowl woukdnt that have been the classic transition course though pge?

Apparently, Kemi likened BP to a Gestapo officer. If the cap fits...

https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-15926107/Kemi-Badenoch-tells-Labours-Bridget-Phillipson-shes-destoying-childrens-lives-post-PMQs-dust-spiteful-Education-Secretary.html

Bridget makes my blood boil. She is obsessed with class. Her rhetoric is so divisive. Huge numbers of middle class people, including myself, come from working class backgrounds like her but we don’t constantly make an issue about it.

Also many people that I know who would describe themselves as working class earn far more than lots of so called middle class workers. It’s all nonsense.

I’m so glad the Labour clear out will see them go.

PGCE yes. They were trying to recruit older people with experience outside education.

Same. I grew up with 2 disabled parents who both left school at 14 without a single qualification between them. One only able to work in bottom of the rung admin roles and the other made redundant when I was about 11 and never worked again. I went to an inner city sink estate secondary school where the GCSE pass rate was 8%. I worked bloody hard to walk away with 9 GCSEs.

I now have a well paid job (on the threshold of being a high rate tax payer) and DH (son of 2 teachers, and ex military) and I have saved hard to be able to put our DD into the local private school, and DS will follow in a few years.

It’s called aspiration, but to the likes to BP that’s a dirty word.

Lots of bitching (and worse) going on about Kemi on the Labour thread, been going on most of the afternoon.

Sounds like Kemi is doing a good job.

Yes you can be sure of it when they’re so rattled.

And some utterly hilarious hypocritical moaning about people (apparently from here) reporting posters! Honestly, you couldn't make it up. 🤣

Nothing like woman who can hit back in politics to get people going. Labour will have another white male leader soon.

Starmer was an arrogant bully and thankfully is going. He has been a massive shit in every PMQs and good riddance.

A lot of Labour voters also aren't working. 😆

Wow, coming from Labour that’s something.

I don’t think the explanation for this nonsense is that difficult though.

When you’ve invested everything in saying “Tory chaos!” over and over, and abusing - and lying about and falsely accusing - every Tory government in the most deceitful and horrible terms, you have at least something to live up to. So when your party’s government is then absurdly chaotic, has mounted a coup, is fighting itself and and is falling to pieces, and a Tory points out how rubbish the PM is and how vindictive his ministers are, you have to find some mode of attack - so why not pretend you are somehow morally better than your opponents?

Labour really is laughable.

I know! 😂