A question about Henry Nowak….

[CurlewKate]

Is there any actual evidence to support the suggestion that this completely awful event had anything to do with with “two tier policing” and was a hideous example of appalling policing and in particular, appalling first responding? It is unforgivable that the police didn’t check Nowak properly for injuries. But there was no weapon at the scene and the police were met with 4 people who had called them and were all telling the same story.They made assumptions which they would probably have made regardless of the ethnicity of the people involved. And in 999 cases out of 1000 the assumptions would have been right. The sort of judgement call the police have to make all the time. So it seems to me that it’s not about policy, it’s about incompetence.

The call handler did say he called for medical help. I don't understand why the police on the ground weren't aware of this and didn't expedite it because the killers brother played down the injuries so when they arrived they should have IMMEDIATLY hurried that ambo along.

Yeah but yeah but… whataboutery, again remember posters on mn are clear Henry is only one boy…. How bad is that really, and everyone thinks how wonderful and kind and righteous they are

@chocoluv drunk and acting erratically? He was gasping his last breaths!!
Jesus fucking christ!!!

@chocoluv "They handcuffed the person that was drunk and acting erratically, not the person who was calm and being comforted by other people.
I do not blame them as they needed to handcuff the one that was acting in a way that was not calm."

Henry wasn't drunk. His blood alcohol level was found to be low enough that he could've driven a car.

He wasn't acting erratically. And really puzzled by that statement because he couldn't even sit up. So in what way do you think he was acting erratically? I'll be really interested to hear that. He could barely move. He was lying on the ground. And he could barely speak. And in his last utterance, you can hear a gurgling noise which I imagine is him choking on his own blood.

@youalright have you been watching a lot of television? Where would they hide the body? Getting a body off your property in this day and age with everybody having ring doorbell cameras, how would they do that?

@chocoluv what is your definition of calm .
The killer was high on adrenaline and bouncing around like he was high speaking repetitively.

Henry was totally calm and he wasn't drunk .

That's heart breaking

Yeah, I would also say Vikram wasn't calm

@WatermelonSalad1 its ridiculous the desperation in the reaching for some to find a way to make his death Henry’s fault.

They handcuffed him while he was lying incapacitated and dying on the floor whereas his killer was not handcuffed and treated with dignity.

No I’m not talking about the 1990s.

It’s the Louise Casey review from 2023. She found them to be “institutional racist” but the Met police refused to accept that label as it would “hinder” the force.

www.met.police.uk/police-forces/metropolitan-police/areas/about-us/about-the-met/bcr/baroness-casey-review/

Nobody is saying the death is Henry's fault its the murderer and the murderers family fault and people need to remember that instead of putting all the blame on the police

I've watched the video and I'm disgusted by it in every way.

The sheer sneery " I don't think you have mate " as Henry used his last breaths on this earth to keep saying I've been stabbed as he was dragged and twisted to get his weak limp arms and hands into bloody hand cuffs.!!
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You can still get medical treatment for someone who has been stabbed and in handcuffs though.

Their argument is that they needed to keep the situation safe - which is understandable.

The police are taught to make the situation safe.

If they had kept him in handcuffs for over an hour then I would be the first to say they were completely wrong.

But it was a matter of minutes.

I am not sticking up for the police but they are faced with dangerous criminals every day and have to protect themselves and others.

It was a matter of seconds/minutes before they checked him for injuries.

They laid him on his side so he didn’t choke on blood whilst handcuffing him and then checking for injuries.
It happened very fast.

But I stand by my argument that the police should immediately check both parties for weapons and injuries before anything else.

Oh i don’t blame the police fully, they were working within the strict strict guidelines.
i blame the violent murdering twat and his lying pathetic pathetic family.

He wasn’t a threat.

He was on the ground, literally bleeding out. Murderer’s father told the police Henry was bleeding from the mouth and was slumping over, unable to even sit up. Wasn’t in a position to threaten or even stand.
There was ZERO need to put handcuffs on him before they’d assessed the situation.

Honestly, the way this young man’s death has been used to whip up hysteria and violence by people that are too stupid to make a logical thought, is so disgusting!

This is not evidence of ‘2 tier policing’ whatever the fuck that means. The suggestion that UK police are bending over backwards to accommodate non white people is so fucking offensive it’s unreal.

Henry died because a murderer murdered him! The police were dismissive and lacked curiosity however within minutes, they knew they were wrong and tried to save this man. The murderer was arrested and will rightfully remain in jail for a long time. This is in part, another police fuck up, not a hate crime against white people ffs.

Those of you who truly believe that if Henry was a black or brown man, he would have been treated more favourably seriously need to get out more, read a fucking book. Even in the context of the police being ‘trained to treat none white people better’, there continues to be systemic racism, sexism, homophobia in the police. It’s so offensive and wrong, the person up thread who said people are upset by “hurty words” can fuck off too. I wonder how many white people who think this would truly want to swap places with a black man and experience policing from that perspective.

Henrys family have asked that his tragic death is not turned into a political point scoring. Of course, there are clearly too many stupid people in this country who fail to make a logical point.

I despair at the level you of intelligence in the adult population of this country!

@chocoluv ..ah I see keep the situation safe from a man prostate and weak so weak he had to be dragged out of the corner to get those hand cuffs on. .

However when it actually turned into a murder scene those same police were quite so keen to keep the situation safe. Because they did not handcuff the physically able strapping man who has suddenly became a murder suspect.

What do you think about that ?

Also there are different views on whether he would have lived as mentioned on the thread.

Well especially if They laid him on his side so he didn’t choke on blood whilst handcuffing him and then checking for injuries.
so they knew he was injured and bleeding to the risk of choking on his own blood and kindly handcuffed him on his side?

Oh dear yet another "dump a provocative post and run thread" where after happily stirring posters up the OP is never heard from again.

Tiresome

Read a fucking book yourself.

How would the police know he wasn't a threat in the seconds they had to access the situation you show up to a scene and you have multiple people stood there saying he's this violent person whos just launched a random racist attack on them. I don't know about anyone else but I would go with the majority until I had time to figure out actually what had happened unfortunately they didn't have time to do that as Henry died within a couple of minutes of them arriving

@LizzieSiddal oh yes, but I thought that was more about police and how they treated internally

The findings of that review even more surprising given what we've seen from the training material, although I suppose that's a material from 2025

Clearly, that investigation didn't do much good either

it still doesn't explain why when both sides are so speak have told the police that Henry has blood in his mouth and can't sit up even with someone propping him up, why they didn't look him over properly or call an ambulance immediately

Nah I’ve seen loads of posts from op, am sure she’s usually a “DEFUND THE POLICE!!!” poster though

The OP is a regular here that's why I responded

And she has replied, and I'm sure she will again