A question about Henry Nowak….

[CurlewKate]

Is there any actual evidence to support the suggestion that this completely awful event had anything to do with with “two tier policing” and was a hideous example of appalling policing and in particular, appalling first responding? It is unforgivable that the police didn’t check Nowak properly for injuries. But there was no weapon at the scene and the police were met with 4 people who had called them and were all telling the same story.They made assumptions which they would probably have made regardless of the ethnicity of the people involved. And in 999 cases out of 1000 the assumptions would have been right. The sort of judgement call the police have to make all the time. So it seems to me that it’s not about policy, it’s about incompetence.

We must be careful not to attribute to conspiracy what is actually a cock up. Even the most appalling cock up in the world.

Absolutely wouldn’t be classed as a cock up if the roles were reversed and the Sikh man had been stabbed and then arrested before he died.

Let’s not pretend otherwise.

I see your point OP. Before I saw the video I was shocked at what happened, but after seeing it, I don’t see it in the same way as others.

The police man arrived to a calm scene, with several people accusing the victim of being the aggressor, with the actual killer showing his supposed injuries. It was night time, one of the people helping Henry said he climbed over the fence and fell off the car. It’s an area full of students who are often drunk. There was no evidence of blood. After watching the video, I don’t agree it’s about race but rather the police taking the scene as they found it.

Where I think they failed is they interpreted his slurred words as someone who was drunk and ignored him when he said he had been stabbed, but it really isn’t as black and white as one person’s word against another, and the police getting it wrong because someone claimed they were racially abused.

A “cock up”?! A boy dies and you call it a cock up? Oh “whoops, we handcuffed him and watched him die, soz, but 4 people said he’d said bad things”
”don’t worry lads, you have the full support of those who know the bad words accusations are so much more serious than his dying. And even if he died, he’s only one boy, it’s not the worst that could happen…”

@Chiapotayto one of those “helping” him, was that one of the killer’s family?

I agree people need to actually watch the video. On a past thread people where arguing with me about it and the majority of them hadn't actually watched the video.

I couldn't agree more

But the race inequality policy is now written down so they cannot deny it

But he said this as he was lifting his top at the back checking him for stab wounds and couldn't find any then they got distracted by the bleeding on his face and thought he was talking about they then called an ambulance for him then he died. The police didn't just stand there and say i don't think you have mate and shrug their shoulders like people are trying to make out.

‘Cock up’ indeed. Ffs

so if your child was stabbed to death, while the killer stood by, watching them die, lied to the police who did nothing but shove them in handcuffs on the lies of the killer and his family… you’d say “whoops what a cock up, moving on”,

Their first aid skills must have been shit to not see the knife wounds severe enough to have killed Henry

No I don’t think so - think it was a white guy.

Before I watched the video I was outraged and found the entire thing indefensible. After watching the video, it’s not as simple as the killer making an accusation and Henry being handcuffed whilst in a pool of blood, which admittedly was my understanding before I watched it.

No, I'm saying we mustn't create conspiracies whether there aren't any

I think that was very clear from my post

But My points to the OP is that this is not a conspiracy the racial inequality policy is very real.

Wow that’s awful.

The hospital was 2-3 mins away.

Gosh. The family stood over him for 15 minutes whilst he begged for an ambulance.

They really should all be in jail.

“Anyone who thinks black and brown people are treated better, hasn’t been paying attention”

You mean like the 100’s of Brown men whose known crimes, and I do mean appalling crimes, against at least 1400 female children, which were swept under the carpet by South Yorkshire Police and every other authority involved, FOR YEARS, because they didn’t want to seem racist or damage community ‘cohesion’? While little white girls were labelled Prostitutes, Trouble Makers, Liars and their Dads were arrested for threatening behaviour. That’s just in Rotherham. Then there’s Rochdale, Telford, Bradford etc etc etc. Yeah, the brown community in Rotherham for the last 30 years have really had it tough 🙄

If somekne is lying on the ground, gasping for breath with a mouth full of blood, and trying to tell them they were dying, to me that sounds like a very big clue that this young man was desperately in need of medical help.
But hell, what would I know?

Also again, I think posters are commenting without information

I would've thought it was obvious they had to ring the police because otherwise how are they going to explain an injured man on their property

So that's why they rang the police

I suppose in theory, they could all run inside and pretend they don't know anything about it that may be panic, maybe they were expecting somebody to have something on camera

The killer must've known he inflicted a deadly wound as it went all the way from Henry's lungs to his collarbone so he is probably thinking how do I get a man of my property when he's gonna be dead shortly

This.

Op the wording of the training has been bandied about.

Exactly, and that's the first thing they would've seen when they arrived

If they didn't believe Henry, the householder was telling them that Henry had a mouthful of blood and couldn't sit up even with somebody trying to prop him up!

He was killed by Digwa.
It is very unlikely that he would have survived if the police acted faster.

I do think it was a stressful situation and it all happened so fast.

They handcuffed the person that was drunk and acting erratically, not the person who was calm and being comforted by other people.

I do not blame them as they needed to handcuff the one that was acting in a way that was not calm.

But they should have both been treated as innocent/potentially dangerous and both immediately checked for injuries and weapons.

Many people say the police and prison system are too lax on criminals but I have always disagreed.

I think treating suspects with respect and decency, whilst still keeping everyone safe should be the default.

I find it heartbreaking that he was treated like a criminal when he was genuinely one of the nicest guys ever.

You would expect them to do what most murderers do dispose of the body not call the police to the crime scene

@Chiapotayto

I'm not sure what view point they were taking the scene from in your eyes ?
My eyes saw the victim full of energy trying to say his eye was hurt which looks fine ?

The so called perp..is weak on the floor desperately trying to trigger help I've been stabbed. .how many fucking times did that boy need to say it whilst life left him .where was that officers duty of care ??

It was quick and dark. Watch the video

“I do not blame them as they needed to handcuff the one that was acting in a way that was not calm.”

Haha Lord Jesus, dying and bleeding out and trying to tell the emergency services you can’t breathe and have been stabbed is not acting calm.

Have you heard yourself?