A question about Henry Nowak….

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Is there any actual evidence to support the suggestion that this completely awful event had anything to do with with “two tier policing” and was a hideous example of appalling policing and in particular, appalling first responding? It is unforgivable that the police didn’t check Nowak properly for injuries. But there was no weapon at the scene and the police were met with 4 people who had called them and were all telling the same story.They made assumptions which they would probably have made regardless of the ethnicity of the people involved. And in 999 cases out of 1000 the assumptions would have been right. The sort of judgement call the police have to make all the time. So it seems to me that it’s not about policy, it’s about incompetence.

@Persephonia1966 the killer also wasn't handcuffed.

@chocoluv you are doing an awful lot of commenting on this thread with the wrong facts.

If this is somerhng your interested in why not just read about what happened ?

It's been said the turban thing was a complete fabrication ie lie. They have footage of when it was on and off and Henry didn't do it.

So much to say about it without knowing the facts 🤷🏼‍♀️

Huh??

Where have I said anything about Henry taking off the Turban being true/false?

The only time I’ve mentioned the word turban on this thread is when I stated what Digwa said on the phone call - that he snatched Henry’s phone off of him, so Henry punched him and it made him fall back and his turban fell off

I’ve not mentioned the turban anywhere else, so I don’t know where you’ve got that from.

The judge concluded that Henry was not racist and that Digwa lied - where have I said anything different?

And if you get stabbed tonight and the murderer rings the police because he is thinks he’s going to get away with pulling the race card (which let’s be fair he did during the filming) will you be okay with them handcuffing you, allowing you to bleed out, denying your injuries, offering zero compassion or comfort during your final minutes, allll because the perpetrator managed to ring the police first, then you’ll be okay with that?

Because, I don’t think you would, Mate.

Obviously not, don’t be so obtuse.

But I understand as the apparent attacker I would be treated as the perpetrator.

If Henry had phoned the police asking for help because he had been stabbed, he would have been seen as the victim.

My brother was arrested and handcuffed when his ex falsely accused him.
I was beyond upset because he would never hurt a woman - but the police didn’t know that.
All they knew was a woman phoned up asking for help because she was being attacked by her ex partner.
It was only afterwards did they had taken him to the station did they realise he was the victim and she was a liar.

It’s not a hard concept to grasp - the person who rings the police and asks for help is in the majority of cases the victim and so the police go with that in mind.

No, and possibly that was normal given the circumstances. What is stranger to me is that Henry Novak was.
There are a lot of questions to answer. But you don't know the answers and I don't either. People like Musk have hit on an explanation to further their own agenda which may or may not be true.

And it’s not a hard concept to grasp that Henry was laid out on the floor, unable to move, and presented no threat either. In fact, they had to drag him, almost comatose across gravel. Yet, despite this, they still handcuffed him. That isn’t a difficult concept to grasp and yet your ability to grasp it is unfathomable.

@ainsleysanob couldn't agree more.

So was the Belfast attacker.

He was laid on the floor covered in blood and injuries, surrounded by multiple men with weapons who had beaten him and were restraining him.

The reason the police believed he was the perpetrator was because of the phone call asking the police to help because he had just attacked someone.
But they did not know this for fact.

They didn’t assume the white men were being racist and attacked him for no reason.
They were responding to what they were told.

The police have a few minutes, if not seconds to work out what’s going on and they use the 999 call as a basis before they can figure out what’s going on.

The police cannot tell who is dangerous and who isn’t.
They respond to loads of reports of people being stabbed etc and usually those playing victim begging for help are usually telling the truth.

FWIW I think the police handled the Henry situation awfully.
If someone says they’ve been stabbed then surely you check on them straight away.
Even they felt he was going to do a runner or dangerous and needed handcuffs then why wait so long to put them on.

But it is ridiculous to imply that the police treated Henry as a perpetrator purely because he white.
They treated him that way because the apparent victims were begging for help.

Yep

So was the Belfast attacker.
He was laid on the floor covered in blood and injuries, surrounded by multiple men with weapons who had beaten him and were restraining him.
The reason the police believed he was the perpetrator was because of the phone call asking the police to help because he had just attacked someone.
But they did not know this for fact.

Do you make shit up for the fun of it? The police had arrived on the scene and saw exactly what was occurring and who had the knife in Belfast if you watch the footage.

So you’re saying that there were no men who stopped the attack and restrained him until police arrived?
There were no men who’ve been hailed as hero’s and had go fund me set up for them because they saved a man’s life?

The other men were on top of him when the police got there and they were shouting he’s here.

Please post the video if you think I am mistaken.

The reason the police went over and immediately knew he was the perpetrator was because of the 999 phone call.

As usual, you're wrong, but crack on.

Someone better tell the papers, because I’ve just looked and they also believe the attacker was restrained by members of the public when the police arrived.

Can you link the video you’ve watched please because obviously this is a video no one else has seen.

Watch the video. He's still got hold of the knife when the policeman goes running over. Yes, being restrained, because the lunatic was ranting holding a bloody knife. Still trying to attack. Holding a knife. Which the police saw in his hands.
It's on video.

Look yourself. Lots have seen it, hence the riots.

That is not why they were rioting.

They were not rioting because he was holding a knife when the police arrived.

They were rioting because an immigrant attempted to behead someone, so that means all immigrants = bad, including innocent non-immigrants who must also have their houses burned down.

I know, I can’t make sense of it either.

You said the police arrived and saw exactly what was occurring.

The other men had weapons too.

Why do you think they saw him as a perpetrator and not a victim that had grabbed the knife from one of the victims?

I’ll give you a clue - because the 999 phone call said he was the attacker.

Like arguing with 5 year olds. I'll leave you to it 🙈

😂😂 because you know you are in the wrong.

Sometimes you just have to hold your hands up and be like you know what I was in the wrong and hadn’t seen that POV.

No one likes being wrong but I’ll always admit to being in the wrong if I am.

👋🏻👋🏻

Yes, agreed, except some five year old are way more sensible.

Just to say- I know I started this thread, but I’m stepping away from it now. I was hoping for a nuanced discussion, but obviously I was hoping for too much and I don’t want to add to the “you’re either for us or against us” narrative.