If you plan on voting Reform/ Restore, what could Labour do to win your vote?

[SixtySevenLabubus]

I am politically homeless but will vote Labour in the next election purely to keep Reform/ Restore out.

For those planning on voting Reform/ Restore, what would Labour have to do to win your vote? I ask as I will be campaigning for Labour and want to work on what the counter arguments will be.

OP, I think you (and the Labour leadership) are asking the wrong question. Statistically Reform voters are more likely to be previous Tory voters. Labour are losing more voters to the Greens which is splitting the vote and allowing Reform in. The more they try and appeal to Reform voters, the more votes they lose on the left. Most Reform voters wouldn’t vote Labour whatever they do.

There’s also a big problem of Labour making Reform’s case for them. If they keep going on about immigration being a big problem, then voters are more likely to think they should vote for the most anti-immigrant party.

Obviously this isn’t the whole picture. Some things, like Starmer personally not being a strong leader, will lose voters to the right and left. But on the whole I think Labour’s focus on wooing Reform voters is a very bad strategy.

This is a good starting point.

Essentially anyone supporting Labour is deluding themselves and actually contributing to make problems worse.

Labour's approach is to sweep everything under the carpet and pretend nothing is wrong!

Examples: we obviously need to spend more on defence. None of our ships work. No plan.

Govt spends more than it receives so govt debt goes up every year. No plan.

Everyone accepts that benefits are too generous. But no plan from Labour.

The triple lock is unaffordable. No plan from Labour.

Public services are in the main part a joke. Massively wasteful in terms of cost and frequently incompetent. No plan from Labour (partly because so many Labour voters work in the public sector).

High taxes mean people leave the country and new talented people don't come. No plan from Labour.

Labour have absolutely no plan for anything other than more benefits. The OP and people like her through her attitude are inadvertently making things worse.

I don't much like Farage or Lowe either but pretending they are not right in identifying key issues facing the UK is just delusional.

It's not enough for people who don't like Farage and Lowe just to vote against them. They have to come up with genuinely effective policies to deal with our national decline - one that is robbing from our children and their children.

Take active steps in bringing criminals such as Boris Johnson, Nigel Farage and Paula Vennels to justice, so that they get the prison sentences they deserve.

Yes, I know it’s not the government’s job to be judge, jury and executioner, and shouldn’t be in a democracy, but it would make me feel better. Yes, I’m totally misguided on this, I know.

But speaking of Farage, at the very least pointing out why most of his words are utter nonsense, and what they will do better.

They could make the tax and benefit system fairer by flattening it, and reverse the shift of the last couple of decades whereby higher earners pay more and more of the total bill and median and lower earners pay less in all taxes than they receive in benefits.

Return the personal allowance, allow funding of pensions at a higher rate, bring in a flat rate for stamp duty, reinstate child benefit for higher earners.

You are politically homeless yet will campaign for Labour, and you have no idea as to why people are turning to Reform/Restore? Really?

What crimes are you alleging here?

Have you informed the police of your suspicions?

They just love to kill they golden goose don't they. I used to be a centrist before they got in power but these days I am decidedly and unashamedly right wing!

Be honest for once and rename themselves the Fabian Party, thereby solving the cognitive dissonance afflicting the nation.

Stop pretending people can change sex.
Stop interest on student loans.
Build more jails instead of letting people out.
Massively reduce illegal entry to the country,
Sack Starmer and Rayner.

You’re not the only one….

If it was a benefit it shouldn’t be taxed. It’s not a benefit, I agree.

@IDontHateRainbows This is exactly what is happening and was a very obvious outcome.

@Troublein Same and I was an active trade unionist for many years.

Raise the tax thresholds
Reverse all benefit decisions on 2 child cap
Stop with the utter nonsense paying for extra wives
Stop allowing criminals and rapists into our country we have enough of our own.

A simple reply would be reverse every single thing they have done basically go back to day one and start again.

its an utter shit show of poor decision after decision of spiteful mindless policies and lies to cover up the mess it’s made.

One final one VAT on private schools, congratulations on causing distress to thousands of children some of which were on bursary’s and their schools shut down. That policy completly backfired on them as it’s now costing them more to school the children and less in taxes from the closed schools and teachers salary’s. Idiots.

Regardless, it is still classed as a benefit

@scalt what charges would be brought against Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage?

Absolutely nothing! They had their chance.

The state pension is one of several state benefits that are are taxable.

Just exactly where do I start?

Immigration, taxation, welfare, benefits, two tier policing, defence, migrant hotels, migrant HMO's, children and women not being safe on the streets, too few people paying in and far, far, far too many claiming whatever benefit they can because Labour make that more attractive.

I could go on but it genuinely bewilders me as to why, unless you're long term or a career benefit claimant or a migrant, it would seem like a good idea, like ever.

I completely agree with you to a certain extent. However, they hard left get the vapours and think Nige is the devil in carnate so Rupert, as much common sense as he talks, would never be allowed to get past first base.

The Uk state pension has been classed as a benefit since 1948. On what are you basing the assertion that it’s not?

Where do I begin?

Lying to the Queen. Lying to Parliament. Lying to the public. Lying to the privileges committee under oath (I don’t know why the bible didn’t burst into flames when he swore on it to tell the truth). Probably many more things. And isn’t there something about an undisclosed 5 million for Farage?