If you plan on voting Reform/ Restore, what could Labour do to win your vote?

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I am politically homeless but will vote Labour in the next election purely to keep Reform/ Restore out.

For those planning on voting Reform/ Restore, what would Labour have to do to win your vote? I ask as I will be campaigning for Labour and want to work on what the counter arguments will be.

A brilliant demonstration of why I don't see pension as a benefit

He's paid into his pension with his NI contribution - even the most hardened and immigration people amongst us are going to agree that he should have his pension surely

@ChangeyNameyforthis

with your first point, I don't think we need to invest necessarily although we need more police - but we should be spending less money on the consultants that advise being anti-white

With your fourth point, is that under the deal that this government did where we get slightly lower taxes on whiskey and India get lots more working visas here?

I don't understand what the point of that deal was I cannot see the benefit to us! It's like kind of bonkers thinking that means Labour won't get in again - that deal was only ever gonna go one way

The absurdity is that the ECHR was originally there to prevent the systematic abuses of the Holocaust and totalitarianism from ever happening again, yet some argue the fact of it not adapting properly to the era of mass immigration, is basically causing the risk of the former from happening again.
Personally, I do not see why any country should have to keep serious criminals who are not nationals. I mean who wants to be harbouring eg foreign paedophiles or murderers. There is a level of serious crime when a blanket expulsion should be permissible.

I work with a lot of Indian young people who have come over here to study accounting. They then think they are going to get jobs doing this. However, none of them have done the UK expected professional qualifications so they won’t get them.

They end up working minimum wage jobs whilst hoping to get a decent job in finance. These minimum wage jobs usually go to our young people.

I just don’t see how we have a need and shortage that needs filling by these workers.

Same

@ChangeyNameyforthis you're right we don't have a need

I was told( by university staff members) that a lot of people come to study, then disappear out of the system and go and work in minimum wise jobs because they're so desperate to live here

Abuse of the study visas are widespread

It needs cracking down on so many levels and yes, of course I agree it does our young people out of jobs. though I do have to ask why employer is higher than, you should have to employ a British national and resident first.

Basically what the Govts of the last 25(?) years should have been doing.

@IDoHaveACrystalBall - nobody has specifically contributed towards their state pension. You pay for the current lot of pensioners with your NI. There is no guarantee the state pension won’t be means tested against both assets and income in the future either.
For anyone who doesn’t have British nationality but could qualify I would personally be getting it, to mitigate against a Reform Government. I don’t see how they will withdraw ILR but who wants to be stressed about that if they do get in. And who knows what they can do to make things harder - it’s already much more expensive and difficult to pass the citizenship test. They could make that more expensive and even harder.

What would you think if she was removed ad Leader after a successful election? It can happen. Vote the politics not the face of the Party. She may well be successful but that doesn't mean she won't get replaced if something happens as seen with Starmer recently

Tbh i probably won't vote - politically homeless currently. If labour stopped pretending men can be women, stop assuming all white people are racist, sort out 2tier.policing, stop penalising pensioners, and make a talented woman their leader, maybe Rosie Duffield, i might vote for them again.

@Araminta1003 what I mean is most of us would agree you've paid into the system so you should be allowed to get back that money in the form of a pension

I don't think reform or Restore would argue with that posters example, no one would take that pension away

On a practical level, I don't think they could take ILR away either

Definitely not votes for children - that's just a cynical ploy as the very young are idealistic and more likely to vote Labour.
make me feel safe to walk the streets. Sort out vape/barber shops.
stop hiding behind fake net immigration numbers. The British are leaving in droves Stop the boats.
Be honest that the NHS is not fit for purpose and investigate new ways of financing it.
Would like to see the 2 child benefit cap reinstated
Obviously stop calling men women
Don't penalise small businesses, farmers and hospitality.
Sort out the interest on student loans.
I'm on a roll!

Labour could not do anything to ever win my vote now. The last two years have proven conclusively that Its instincts are wrong on everything. As an outsider looking in, I can only conclude that it (bafflingly) asks the wrong questions at every turn. Who I choose to vote for will depend on who is best placed to keep labour out of office.

So who is to blame for these things in your opinion? The Tories were in power for an awfully long time and most of the issues you list are historical. Many of them are caused by historical underinvestment. 'Sorting out' needs money.

Where is the money to pay the £40k care jobs coming from? Oh.. taxation? Yet you dont want more....taxation? You can't just decree a job paying millions of people is paid at x2 min wage without considering how that would work economically.

Has Nadim commented on last week's exploitation of a tragedy? Wonder if he's now realised it's brown people they hate, nothing to do with immigration status.

Except it is, that's just a fact.

I’m not blaming anyone or Labour. I remind you of the original question.

Nothing at all. They could promise me diamonds and I wouldn't vote for them.

And me. But I'm old and remember them in the 1970s. Same crap, different people.

I'm politically homeless. I used to vote Liberal or SDP occasionally Green but I'm old enough to have lived through Labour Governments and there is nothing they can do to convince me they are any more capable of running the country than they have been previously. Labour tank the economy open the doors to widespread abuse of the NHS fail to support education police and defense and line their own pockets whilst looking down on those actually working for a living

There is absolutely nothing Labour could do to make me vote for them.

@Paravion011 Welfare benefits haven’t been a temporary safety net for years! Universal Credit is a long term benefit to subsidise private landlords and low paying employers. Most people claiming it are working and they claim it for many years.

Nowadays, it’s not just those down on their luck with no prospects who claim it, it’s teachers, nurses, social workers, etc. You can work full time in a professional job that you’ve worked hard to get and still end up having to claim UC for years if you’re not fortunate enough to own your own home.

My contribution to the thread: the government need to sort out the housing crisis as a priority. Rent should be affordable for people working full time.