If you plan on voting Reform/ Restore, what could Labour do to win your vote?

[SixtySevenLabubus]

I am politically homeless but will vote Labour in the next election purely to keep Reform/ Restore out.

For those planning on voting Reform/ Restore, what would Labour have to do to win your vote? I ask as I will be campaigning for Labour and want to work on what the counter arguments will be.

I haven’t seen anyone in the Labour party that seems authentically to care about Britain as Rupert Lowe does. It’s the fact that he respects Britain that moves people, in this time where we are so maligned and used as doormats.

Pensions aren't the only taxable benefit.

I'm planning on voting Tory, Kemi is much better than the wannabees that Labour has to offer and I doubt they could do anything to change my mind. It's not just Labour or Reform you know

So you are politically homeless and will be campaigning not even knowing what their policies are going to be? The blind leading the blind.

I don’t know who I am going to vote for yet. I will be voting based on sound economic policy primarily, whoever puts it forward with the maths stacking up, bearing in mind the geopolitical situation at the time.

Mak student loans interest free or nominal interest. 9 percent is taking the piss.
Stop paying benefits to cover plural marriages. In the UK bigamy is a crime so stop paying benefits to second, third and fourth wives and giving them stamps for pension too FFS.
Get rid of Netflix bloody zero.
Reverse the NI tax on employers so they can afford to employ people.
Reduce the number of civil servants and cut the amount paid into their pensions. Those on the lowest bands get paid far more than they would outside.
Change 6 months full pay followed by 6 months half pay on sick to 3 months full pay 3 months half pay.
Stop throwing parties with canapes for activist at tax payers expense.
Reverse the additional 2 percent tax on landlords who will just pass this on to their tenants anyway.

Seriously, you actually believe the crap about Lowe caring for the country?

He's taking Musk of the nazi salutes money and you think his intentions are good?

He couldn't give a stuff about the people of Britain as demonstrated by those he embraces.

Well, ok. I can’t disagree with you, as I don’t truly know.. there seems to be an absolute string of toads in politics. All I can say is I’ve heard him speak and I didn’t recoil in instinctive repulsion as I do when Tony BlairWitch or Starmer talk. That’s not saying much, I know. I’m longing for someone to truly care about Britain, as I know a lot of us are.

Stop taking from the worker to give to the shirker

Other contributions based benefits like contributions based ESA and JSA are taxable in the same way that state pension is.

It’s not 9% interest? It’s 3.2% …

It depends what plan you are on. Some are more than 3.2%

the question was how would Labour get my vote. I answered.

I do not believe any of them can because 1. 4 years is not enough to change anything 2. They are all out for themselves

It legally is though

Heavens no. While there are some valid points, he has no credibility remaining.

The thing is as it currently stands nobody will really be voting for the current Labour Party. It looks like it will be a loony coalition with the Greens, all supposed sensible ground Labour long gone (labelled far right by their own party).
And it won’t be Tory either. It will be a Tory/Reform coalition too.

So the question will be 1) do you want to destroy the country for the next 100 years for good and an IMF bail out as the students will be in charge or 2) can you live with a whole lot of homeless disabled people on the streets potentially and thousands of immigrants screwed over.

Exactly. Either make all benefits taxable, or none of them.

Blair’s credibility may be gone but he made some important points which the current government don’t seem to be capable of, mainly regarding policy.

Not a single solitary thing.

Their antisemitism, craven capitulation to an incompatible culture, abandonment of the working class aside, they are just too thick to run an egg and spoon race, never mind a country.

Labour are the party of the metropolitan progressives, the Liberal Democrats are the party of the middle class in the Shires. Both these groups live lives which are now so far removed from the everyday experience of the working classes, that they are incapable of understanding them. Hence why Labour offer one policy disaster after another and Ed Davies' PR consists of riding a hobby horse. There won't be any saving Labour at the next election and what sort of politics comes next is anyone's guess. The mood is febrile, as observers are quite keen on saying at the moment.

Scrap the renters rights act. Bring back Section 21.

Get a serious handle on benefits - particularly the astounding growth in disability payments.

Get rid of the employment reforms that make employers reluctant to recruit.

Increase general income tax to pay for things that are needed.

I'm not a fan of Reform - also politically homeless - but I've never hated a government the way I hate this one.

Yes, high earners on Plan 2 pay 6.2%, as do post grads. No one pays 9% though.

What would you call it, if not a benefit?

All of the above.

Do something about the crazy cost of putting a roof over your head so that people on lower incomes can afford a decent standard of living without benefits.
Increasing the minimum wage does nothing to help, everything else goes up so businesses can maintain profit margins and businesses stop hiring in entry level positions.

Help the police to do their jobs and catch criminals instead of treating the criminals like victims. Fix the problems with the CPS so that when police have done a good job the criminals don't get away with it anyway.

Help young people into apprenticeships and stop pushing university education to everyone. Young people are getting into huge amounts of debt for degrees that don't even help them into jobs.

Sort out the benefits system, we seem to have got into a cycle of encouraging people to think they can't work instead of supporting them so they can do something.

Do something about the elderly care system, it's utterly broken. Even people with assets can't afford to pay for good quality long term residential care at £1.5-£2k per week. If home care was better quality instead of box ticking 5 minute care calls people could be safely supported to keep them at home for longer.

First post nails it.
Stop charging VAT on education.
Stop pretending men can be women.
Stop benefits from becoming a lucrative way of life for people who don’t really need it.
Overhaul NHS.
Control immigration.
Make working worthwhile again for people who want to contribute, build, and drive the economy, instead of making them feel like they’re carrying the burden for those who choose not to.