Do you believe the Michael Jackson allegations part 2

[AutumnLover1990]

New thread 😀

@fundamentallyauthentic some quite unhinged responses on here. Hope you're ok x

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Michael Jackson - the totality of undisputed red flags.

Why would she need help?
She's having a normal and valid reaction.

How rude of you.

Hopefully this link works

I have been on Mumsnet a very long time and this is by far one of the most bizarre threads for obfuscating and prevaricating. The gaslighting is unbelievable and then the total, unashamed ignoring of repeated questions followed by refusing to admit defeat by pretending links are ‘ the wrong ones’ or ‘don’t work’ or ‘can’t see them’. Unreal!

You don't need to do anything and you're right - I didn't see the Vanity Fair link, which doesn't link to any credible source. Perhaps it would have been wise to check your source before posting someone else's somewhat audacious assertion about something so serious.

Thanks that link works. What's your takeaway from this list. bi sexual?

Oh, I'm fine. Thank you for asking. I'm very familiar with online forums, so I know how these things go. It's all so predictable!

Honestly? My takeaway is that Jackson was a paedophile who used this material to groom children. I also think he hated women, given the images of women being degraded and other comments and behaviour over the years. The nude images of children in the nudist magazines would have been what he was really interested in.

One part in the new Netflix documentary was pretty revealing. One of Jacksons former lawyers was given a bag to remove from the property by his long term assistant (who also happened to have been a former "child friend" of jackson who stayed in his circle). The lawyer got suspicious so looked in the bag. There were nudist/naturist magazines in there with images of naked children. In the back was a part where you could order videos and several ones specifically with children were circled. When the lawyer confronted the assistant about it he said something along the lines of "oh yeah it was a phase he went through, I would order the videos he wanted and we would watch them together". That's when the lawyer came to believe that Jackson was in fact guilty of the crimes he was accused of. Interestingly this assistant and former child friend as well as his siblings have now accused Jackson of abuse (Frank Cascio)

Vanity fair is itself a credible source. Anyway, I have linked to the documents which were posted on reddit if you want to have a look and see for yourself exactly what material they found

You're talking about Vincent Amen. He's been interviewed quite a bit recently. Most recently participating in a panel debate Piers Morgan uncensored. Have you seen it? @sickofsixseven.

https://x.com/2BadAboutIt7/status/2062691713328545794?s=20i

That is sleazy and so disgusting. (Odd that some are ‘vintage’ though)I felt uncomfortable reading that inventory, and am astounded anybody can argue with it !

What’s wrong with vanity fair???!
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Absolutely agree

I do find it very odd that folk appear to be wanting to engage with discussion....post something that's refuted and instead of engaging just ignore it. Not really a discussion IMO

Others while posting vicariously for yonks appear to know zilch about what was found in his bedroom, or has forgotten.

Earlier i found it a bit triggering as child abuse is so serious but ive had to reframe it in my head as its ridiculous the deflection.

No i haven't seen it. Piers Morgan wouldn't be something I watch lol. What's the point of the clip though? That he was paid to say that stuff? I think he's been saying it for a while and told the fbi about it previously, although I'll admit that's just info I got from a cursory search

So since this thread will soon end. I feel the truth wont make a difference to MJ supporters. And that makes me so sad and fearful for children's lives going forward. We have to learn from these things and in this case not many will and that means more will suffer by others. I hope those abused by him get their justice and if nothing else some peace.

I feel the same. So much deflecting and ignorance. I do find it bizarre that people can not see the obvious and have been startled at how fanatic people can actually be because someone is their ‘idol’. Makes me feel even more for the victims who are up against this kind of zealotry. It really is the cult of Michael Jackson.

Concern for victims and a careful examination of evidence are not opposing positions. I am intensely protective of children, and I believe anyone who harms them should face justice. If there is evidence relevant to a case, it should be taken seriously and examined carefully — including what was actually found, how it was obtained, what it demonstrates, and what conclusions can reasonably be drawn from it.
I don’t think looking at evidence and context is the same as ignoring evidence. I shared a link to the full court transcript because I think it’s important to look at the actual details of proceedings rather than relying only on summaries or assumptions. That isn’t deflection; it’s part of trying to understand the case properly.

My view is that there is a significant possibility he was innocent, but that doesn’t mean dismissing allegations or failing to take them seriously. People can look at the same information and reach different conclusions — that doesn’t automatically mean one side is ignoring evidence.

I have just finished watching the Netflix documentary and this was the most recent thread I could find about it.
I grew up listening to MJ, watching his music videos and learning the dance moves and was always convinced of his innocence… until watching this. I now believe 100% that he was guilty and I’m so angry that he didn’t get brought to justice for what he did. It’s now obvious to me that he was a manipulative, arrogant and possible narcissistic man. How anyone can watch that and still think he is innocent is beyond me.

Im angry the he, Saville, and their ilk died never being punished.

In Saville and Al Fayed they lived long lives while abusing women and children.

And many others that probably will never be brought to light. It upsets me the Jackson estate are still making all this money from a child abuser and narcissist. No way should he be held up as an idol the way he still is.

I lnow, and I would bore everyone silly if I started on why I think this is.

So I wont😅

But I will say my friend who absolutely idolised him just refuses to think about it, and I kind of get it as from puberty I have been a huge fan of a certain rock star, I even have a tattoo of him

If I had to admit to myself that he'd been so evil as to have abused children it would negate all those lovely feelings I had, its hard to explain i know.

But closing my eyes and batting off huge red flags is something I wouldn't do. Keeping on about evidence legally is all very well, but actual evidence on SA cases is often thin on the ground,.

However in this case there seems to be very damning material, how he wasn't found guilty amazes me.