Would you say non-white people born & raised in England are English?

[rack909]

Just thought I should hear people’s perspective on this.

Some say it’s an ethnicity, some say it’s a nationality & others say it’s both of them.

I personally think it’s both a Nationality & ethnic group.

If someone says they are from England, they are denoting their nationality as English even if they don’t say it outright. It’s the same thing.

Those "some" people are ignorant racists and their opinions are beneath contempt.

I'm not white, born and raised in England and I couldn't give two shits what they think I am.

English is not an ethnicity - its ore important how they identify, go to New York, you will find folks who are proud New Yorkers, and US citizens through birth, but identify as Irish, Greek, Italian, equally proudly because of their heritage.

You can have multiple identities in terms of your background make up, you could be a British born, Polish Jew, three separate things going on there, and that's great, part of the rich tapestry that makes up, and has always made up the UK.

Id say British rather than English but yes. If course they are.

Anyone born and raised in Britain is British.

I wouldn't say anything about this. Its up to the person themselves to choose.

Yes they fucking are. Stupid question.

I was born in India. My parents are Scottish - they were working and living there for about 5 years. All my ancesters are Scottish.

Am I Indian?

It doesn’t matter what some people “feel”. Legally they are British nationals, and are English nationals should they choose to call themselves that. Ethnically, many people have their feet in two worlds. We have pts of British Pakistani friends and our family is Irish. Certainly my DCs and their friends see themselves as British and Irish / Pakistani and take what they need / want from both sides.

Absolutely 💯

Yes

Yes they are English. I have one parent from another european country and one from Scotland but was born and raised in england so am English.

Well. In that case can we claim ownership of 15th Generation Americans who originated from England onboard the Mayflower?

Give it a rest with the ridiculous comparison, straw men and racism.

Oh do go on. This should be fun.

FYI every nation's culture and values evolves over time for many, many reasons, changing demographics being one of them.

I have never come across this.

I know, the faux innocent phrasing of it too 🙄

That is disgusting. Do you think it’s a genuine prejudice they carry, or is it ‘just’ an obvious handle to abuse you with?
I suspect a lot of those types abuse indiscriminately using one or another characteristic. So they’ll threaten women with rape, use racist language to people of colour, abuse people for their weight- skinny bitch, fat cow.
Abuse everyone except perhaps the archetypal powerful person- white blokes.

But I don't know of course. It’s bloody depressing that we’re still battling it.

English/British-of course.

if India has birthright citizenship then you may be, legally.
But clearly you’re not the kind of person the OP is asking about, are you?

This seems to me a very weird thread to start, particularly today.

What do you think? Does it matter?

But the OP is "just wondering"...😇

Who cares?

I had that thought too.

Also, I thought the term ‘non-White’ was considered rather offensive?

Being born in England isn't an ethnic group? Or are you saying white British is an ethnic group? Maybe that is.

If someone says they're English they could be any race/ethnicity, any religion, they could be born elsewhere but have citizenship etc.

I am of the same ethnicity as my parents who are not from the UK. But even though was born in UK I still wouldn't call myself English.

But it's up to people how they wish to categorise themselves and it shouldn't make any difference to how they are treated.

Yes I say British/English for myself…born in London but not a drop of English blood in me…I’m a mix of brown & white

But the fact I speak with an acceptable/well spoken accent probably makes me get given a ‘pass’ to be English/British whatever

Skin colour makes no difference.

I was going to say yes, until I remembered:
European families whose children are born here and who are clear that the children have the nationality of where they come from
A Scottish family whose children were born in England but are emphatic that the children are Scottish
An English couple whose children were both in Wales but who all regard themselves as English

If a cat has kittens in the oven, you don’t call them buns.

I suppose it comes down to what the person’s intentions is, except that I think that in many countries now, you can’t claim nationality just by being born there..

But it would be illogical to decide based on skin colour. Siblings of mixed race parents can have remarkably different skin colour. I have colleagues and friends from African countries and the Asian subcontinent who hold two passports and I have a friend who has 4 passports. In no case do I look at their and think “you’re not English”.