Did we learn nothing from Covid?

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I cannot believe that the people who were on board the cruise ship and who have contracted/been exposed to the hantavirus are all being repatriated! Why on earth were they not all kept on the ship until medical personnel were sure they were not infected? I don't care if they wanted to get home to their families - they are a potential danger. So now we have people in France, the UK and I think Japan who have travelled with other people back to their own country. It's madness.,

It’s rarely transmitted human to human

This virus has the potential to transfer to humans. Yes, it's not common. And, Yes, we've learned nothing.

The four Canadians that were on the ship affected by hantavirus, were immediately sent into a supervised, mandatory quarantine for 21- 42 days (because of the long incubation period) before being allowed to return into the community.

Exactly how it should be!

People never learn. Its the way of the world.

The UK people have been put into isolation.

Exactly as it’s happening here as well.

I have to say I agree. And it has transmitted from human to human in this incident so that is an issue. Whilst rare it has happened.
We have it seems, learnt nothing

I heard on the radio that they have to isolate at home (not sure if that's accurate). My first thought was that there's no chance they will after the whole covid lockdown situation, especially for around 40 days.

My DH had to go to China during lockdown for work (and had to get permission to attend as part of getting a visa).

He was ‘locked down’ in a hotel for 2 weeks, not allowed to leave his room under any circumstances and also had daily temperature checks over that time.

When his trip concluded and he returned to the UK, he self isolated at home for 2 weeks as per the guidance at the time, but not one person/authority checked in with him during those 2 weeks to ensure he was self-isolating.

We actually found it disappointing as he 100% did as per the guidance.

So I agree, that whilst it may be extreme to follow the Chinese route of quarantine/isolation, there’s no way those currently infected, not to mention any people who came in to contact with the source in Agentina but weren’t on the cruise ship, will isolate for the duration, and could well have already travelled internationally to literally anywhere, free to roam.

With the small number of people involved in this they’ll very likely be quarantining at home until the rules there were for swine flu.

i was called twice a day. Warned id be arrested if I left my home. Dr visited me if needed, not the other way round. DH and our kids weren’t allowed home from a weekend away- they had to stay with PIL until I finished.

The first returnees from China were taken to Arrowe park as well. Later Covid was entirely different because of the number of people involved by the time people were isolating at home and the issues with supervising that.

The people who were brought from Wuhan to Arrowe Park at the start of the covid pandemic did not test positive and were allowed to go home following the recommended period of isolation. The people repatriated from the cruise ship yesterday have not tested positive for hantavirus or shown any symptoms, if they do then they will be taken to the hospital for infectious diseases. Currently, they're likely to be allowed to go home and isolate there after 72 hours.

CBC story about the Canadians. I read that it can take up to 8 weeks to show symptoms, though.

www.cbc.ca/news/world/livestory/hantavirus-cruise-ship-docked-spain-canary-islands-evacuation-9.7194019

I'm completely thrown by this as well.

I thought I must've missed something about the way it spreads.

It’s very different from Covid. It is only transmissible when somebody has symptoms. Even then you need to be in very close proximity.

Stop scaremongering.

I don't think anyone is doing that. I do think that info doesn't seem clear and people are rightly concerned.

Yet again it’s fun living 5 minutes walk from Arrowe Park, but at least I, unlike most here understand that they’re quarantined in a separate building and again not in the hospital.

I watch the news daily and the info is really clear?

I don’t think we know at all whether it’s only transmissible if you have symptoms. That said, I’m not worried myself.

I am sorry but I fail to see the connection between the two outbreaks?

They are spread in totally different ways and require different actions to be taken.

Because they don't have the medical facilities on board the ship, not to mention it being incredibly cruel to leave them all there. They have medical evidence to suppose that its containable.

Cleaning out the shed at work today, couldn't stop thinking about bloody hantavirus and so thankful I went on my lunch break before I had time to start sweeping up all those lovely dust particles...

The strain they've all got, is

It's the Andean hantavirus that does transmit human to human. It has a fatality rate of about 40%. There is no treatment, per se, other than oxygen and if one is available an ECMO. And it is not agreed or really known whether it transmits when patients are asymptomatic or symptomatic, or in what time period before the symptoms appear.

This is Statement from the International Hantavirus Society and members of the international hantavirus research and clinical community regarding the current Andes virus outbreak investigation, recently released:

"The precise timing of infectiousness remains incompletely defined. While symptomatic patients are likely to represent the highest-risk group, available outbreak reconstructions do not support overly categorical statements that transmission can occur only after clear symptom onset. Transmission potential during prodromal, early symptomatic or minimally symptomatic phases, should be considered when designing contact tracing, testing and quarantine strategies."

Only for 3 days. They've now been released for 'quarantine' at home - but what if they have family at home?? The family is not obliged to quarantine too.

It's completely ridiculous. Same in the US, they were temporarily in an isolation facility in Nebraska but can now go home.

Not only is there a risk of airborne spread, but it will now enter the sewerage system of all these different places and we know what animals like to live in sewers, right?!? So there is a real risk of hanta spreading into the animal viral reservoir where it wasn't before. (Proper medical isolation facilities have closed sewerage facilities)