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If you voted Reform, I would love to know why?

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AplineDaisies · 09/05/2026 00:58

I am not here to judge so would just like to hear from Reform voters for their reasoning.

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ilovesleep6 · 10/05/2026 17:32

MushMonster · 10/05/2026 17:24

Whatever works with people income, pension and NHS, that is affordable for them. Though, as a principle, I think keeping it lower than the working people will acknowledge that they worked hard for it before retiring.
Before charging anyone any more, we should get rid of this outsourcing at high prices. Reign it in. Open more practices, more doctors and nurses working for the NHS, and bring the GPs fully back into the NHS. Re-structure it to full efficiency. Less paperwork, more people treated. Less management, more people treating patients. Sort the issues with the training, favouring those slready working in the NHS above any others. And address the reasons why NHS workers leave the profession far too early.
There are ways. We just need someone doing it! Instead of just talking!

But that’s not how it works. Pensioners paid for pensioners back in their day and there was less of a burden than there is now. And the NHS was less sophisticated too. Pensioners use the NHS more than young people so their payments should be for that if nothing else.

Imdunfer · 10/05/2026 17:49

Can't tag, name isnt recognised

I'm saying unlimited free NHS treatment is not something given by the state to people who are here illegally.

Of course it is. Do you think we leave a person who arrives here in a small boat to die of cancer if he arrives with it?

It would be completely unethical not to treat anyone who is in the country and not leaving immediately and is ill or injured.

Imdunfer · 10/05/2026 17:51

@sofiathewurst , message above.

climbintheback · 10/05/2026 18:01

Imdunfer · 10/05/2026 17:49

Can't tag, name isnt recognised

I'm saying unlimited free NHS treatment is not something given by the state to people who are here illegally.

Of course it is. Do you think we leave a person who arrives here in a small boat to die of cancer if he arrives with it?

It would be completely unethical not to treat anyone who is in the country and not leaving immediately and is ill or injured.

Edited

This is half the reason people are wondering what’s going on and exactly what do illegal migrants get treatment for is it
Dentistry
Optician
podiatry
basic NHS
treatment
HIV
HEPATITIS
TB
DIPTHERIA
SHIGELLA
MRSA
SCABIES
and on and on what exactly and how long for? The vacuum of info is a problem.

thedramaQueen · 10/05/2026 18:03

Paul2023 · 10/05/2026 15:25

I think the NHS needs major reforms. This isn’t the 1960s anymore.

Id personally be in favour of paying for missed NHS appointments, even it means instalments.

I’d rather pay £30 for a GP appointment. It means people will think twice before wasting a GP’s time . Thats why so many people are now paying £60 a month for private health insurance. Because they want to see a GP when they need one.

Remember years ago you could ring a GP on a Monday and ask for an appointment on the Thursday or Friday ( obviously if it could wait) ?

Those days have gone where I am . You now have to ring at 8am for an ‘emergency appointment’ and spend 50 minutes on the phone for a receptionist to triage you . If you’re lucky you’ll get told a doctor will call you back at some point during the day.

Not much good to people who work or who can’t answer their phone at work.

The main political parties will continue to put more money in but more money will go out and nothing will change in the NHS in its current form.

Its easy to kick the can down the road and let future politicians make the hard decisions- but the current ones won’t .

This is interesting.

However, I fear there are a number of problems:

Who decides whether the appointment was a waste of time? What would the criteria be?

Why £30? Is that really enough to discourage people from wasting the GP's time? If you have money is £30 enough? Should it not actually reflect the cost of seeing a private doctor for a consultation rather than just a random £30?

I see going to the doctors ending up being like going to the dentist and people will put it off even more.

This will most likely result in an increase in things like cancer not being picked up early enough resulting in death and more cost to the NHS.

Piknik · 10/05/2026 18:08

Agree with all the posters criticising the lack of debate from the superior non-Reform voters. I did not vote Reform and won’t be voting for them in the GE, but to dismiss articulately made grievances and explanations with insults, snobbery and disdain, reflects far more on you than the Reform voter.

“The Measure of Intelligence is the ability to Change”. Einstein, not me. And I’m not even suggesting anyone has to change, but to shut down any views you don’t like with personal insults, suggests the opposite of intelligence to me.

sofiathewurst · 10/05/2026 18:17

Imdunfer · 10/05/2026 17:49

Can't tag, name isnt recognised

I'm saying unlimited free NHS treatment is not something given by the state to people who are here illegally.

Of course it is. Do you think we leave a person who arrives here in a small boat to die of cancer if he arrives with it?

It would be completely unethical not to treat anyone who is in the country and not leaving immediately and is ill or injured.

Edited

Yes it would be unethical. They do get urgent treatment and cancer would be classed as that. They would be billed for treatment though. Obviously some people might not pay. If they were running up bills over time and had no documentation at all they would be risking being caught here illegally as the Home Office can be notified. It is prudent to give urgent treatment for anything tranmissible too as it saves money and potentially other lives in the long run. What they wouldn't get is routine stuff like having a bad back and getting a referral etc for free. They could see the GP but the referral wouldn't be free. Eye tests etc you have to either be eligible for a free NHS test or pay but they don't ask you to prove you are here legally.

sofiathewurst · 10/05/2026 18:31

thedramaQueen · 10/05/2026 18:03

This is interesting.

However, I fear there are a number of problems:

Who decides whether the appointment was a waste of time? What would the criteria be?

Why £30? Is that really enough to discourage people from wasting the GP's time? If you have money is £30 enough? Should it not actually reflect the cost of seeing a private doctor for a consultation rather than just a random £30?

I see going to the doctors ending up being like going to the dentist and people will put it off even more.

This will most likely result in an increase in things like cancer not being picked up early enough resulting in death and more cost to the NHS.

Edited

It is interesting. In Germany they used to charge a nominal fee of 10 euros for your first doctor's appointment of the quarter. No charge if you didn't see a doctor that quarter. In the end the payment was scrapped and all appointments were made free because they found that it didn't stop people making unnecessary appointments. It was also an administrative burden and potentially an unfair barrier to those of a lower socio economic status accessing healthcare. Obviously they run a different system there with a health insurance provider system but interesting that it didn't work for its intended purpose.

SleeplessInWherever · 10/05/2026 18:32

climbintheback · 10/05/2026 18:01

This is half the reason people are wondering what’s going on and exactly what do illegal migrants get treatment for is it
Dentistry
Optician
podiatry
basic NHS
treatment
HIV
HEPATITIS
TB
DIPTHERIA
SHIGELLA
MRSA
SCABIES
and on and on what exactly and how long for? The vacuum of info is a problem.

That’s such a specific thing to be bothered about. Whether they specifically get treatment for Shigella.

It’s a vacuum of information that I personally don’t need. Predominantly because if someone (anyone) has… shigella (🤷🏻‍♀️), I’m okay with them getting treatment for it.

MushMonster · 10/05/2026 18:35

ilovesleep6 · 10/05/2026 17:32

But that’s not how it works. Pensioners paid for pensioners back in their day and there was less of a burden than there is now. And the NHS was less sophisticated too. Pensioners use the NHS more than young people so their payments should be for that if nothing else.

We are talking about changes to make it workable. Not how it has worked in the past and currently. But how to keep it going, giving suggestions on how to keep it funded.

MushMonster · 10/05/2026 18:44

thedramaQueen · 10/05/2026 18:03

This is interesting.

However, I fear there are a number of problems:

Who decides whether the appointment was a waste of time? What would the criteria be?

Why £30? Is that really enough to discourage people from wasting the GP's time? If you have money is £30 enough? Should it not actually reflect the cost of seeing a private doctor for a consultation rather than just a random £30?

I see going to the doctors ending up being like going to the dentist and people will put it off even more.

This will most likely result in an increase in things like cancer not being picked up early enough resulting in death and more cost to the NHS.

Edited

I am wary of paying fir missed appointment line too.
I would say that is applicable to those who miss several appointments. And we first need to ensure that they got the letter or text for the appointment, on time. Plus this should not be applicable to phone appointments, at least the GPor specialist can prove that they had a time slot agreed, they stuck to it, the let the phone rang more than once and they tried phoning at least 3 times.

BluebellShmoobell · 10/05/2026 18:55

climbintheback · 10/05/2026 18:01

This is half the reason people are wondering what’s going on and exactly what do illegal migrants get treatment for is it
Dentistry
Optician
podiatry
basic NHS
treatment
HIV
HEPATITIS
TB
DIPTHERIA
SHIGELLA
MRSA
SCABIES
and on and on what exactly and how long for? The vacuum of info is a problem.

They deserve nothing if they've come in illegally, its disgusting.

ilovesleep6 · 10/05/2026 19:00

BluebellShmoobell · 10/05/2026 18:55

They deserve nothing if they've come in illegally, its disgusting.

Wouldn’t that be a public health risk though, especially if they have a contagious disease.

Katypp · 10/05/2026 19:02

ilovesleep6 · 10/05/2026 17:13

It should be rolled into general tax and everyone pays the same rate based on income, regardless of your age or where your income comes from. IE If your pension income is £30k per year you should pay the same NI as a worker earning £30k pay year.

And also tax benefits if they reach the threshold, including maintenence. PIP, UC etc should not be tax free if your income totals £12,750 or more (or whatever the alliwance is)

Imdunfer · 10/05/2026 19:03

sofiathewurst · 10/05/2026 18:17

Yes it would be unethical. They do get urgent treatment and cancer would be classed as that. They would be billed for treatment though. Obviously some people might not pay. If they were running up bills over time and had no documentation at all they would be risking being caught here illegally as the Home Office can be notified. It is prudent to give urgent treatment for anything tranmissible too as it saves money and potentially other lives in the long run. What they wouldn't get is routine stuff like having a bad back and getting a referral etc for free. They could see the GP but the referral wouldn't be free. Eye tests etc you have to either be eligible for a free NHS test or pay but they don't ask you to prove you are here legally.

You are mixing up people claiming asylum with people who aren't registered as being in the country.

The people who arrive with no money in a boat or in the back of a lorry amd claim asylum aren't allowed to work. Of course they aren't being sent bills for their medical treatment and they are receiving treatment free for for all the ailments and injuries that anyone else would be treated for.

The people in the country illegally, if they get sick and need treatment, will either just suffer and possibly die, or declare themselves as being here and claim asylum, probably as a modern slave. They then become one of the people in the paragraph above.

Imdunfer · 10/05/2026 19:05

BluebellShmoobell · 10/05/2026 18:55

They deserve nothing if they've come in illegally, its disgusting.

It would be immoral and inhumane to refuse to treat people who are sick and injured.

We need to stop them coming, not deny them health care when they are here.

Greywizardpirate · 10/05/2026 19:12

The only appointments I have been to in the last 3 years have been yearly check up, which I’m not bloody paying for! I already purchased my own blood pressure medicine. In fact the last checkup they asked me for my own blood pressure reading and off I went.

ComedyGuns · 10/05/2026 19:13

This is the real picture…

If you voted Reform, I would love to know why?
TeenagersAngst · 10/05/2026 19:16

ComedyGuns · 10/05/2026 19:13

This is the real picture…

Except it’s not….

OneFunBrickNewt · 10/05/2026 19:18

MushMonster · 09/05/2026 21:34

Post not delivered for weeks?!?!?
Bless you. I hope they sort that soon!
It is a new low in my long long list of wrongs in the country.

Delivery of post is nothing to do with councillors.

sofiathewurst · 10/05/2026 19:19

Imdunfer · 10/05/2026 19:03

You are mixing up people claiming asylum with people who aren't registered as being in the country.

The people who arrive with no money in a boat or in the back of a lorry amd claim asylum aren't allowed to work. Of course they aren't being sent bills for their medical treatment and they are receiving treatment free for for all the ailments and injuries that anyone else would be treated for.

The people in the country illegally, if they get sick and need treatment, will either just suffer and possibly die, or declare themselves as being here and claim asylum, probably as a modern slave. They then become one of the people in the paragraph above.

No, I was talking about people here illegally.
If you have claimed asylum and have not yet been told if you can or can't stay, you are not here illegally and no you don't get billed.
Once you have been granted asylum and allowed to stay you aren't here illegally, and can access NHS etc properly and without charge.
If you have been denied asylum, and told you can't stay but do anyway, then that is the point you become illegal and would be billed. Accessing treatment and not paying would be risky as you could end up making yourself known to the authorities and you'd be deported as a failed asylum seeker. I don't know whether you could finish your treatment before being deported though, if you were caught.

sofiathewurst · 10/05/2026 19:25

But yes, if you were here completely and utterly unknown to any authorities having never claimed asylum, you might do so if you were caught and end up being in the system for a while, at least until your claim was processed. And at the point of being in the system, and not here illegally in the sense of having had a claim refused, you would get assistance.

Didimum · 10/05/2026 19:27

amylou8 · 09/05/2026 02:59

You ask the question like it's something strange and unusual. More people voted for reform on Thursday than voted for any other party. They voted for reform because they agree with what they are saying. Well done for signalling your virtue by not judging us on a mumsnet post.

The overall voting turnout was estimated at 35-40%, with 26% of that going to Reform. That’s about 9% of the total electorate. So actually yes, it’s very much the minority of people.

Jinglejangle2525 · 10/05/2026 19:30

dizzydizzydizzy · 10/05/2026 17:07

There are several factual inaccuracies or misleading statements in this.

You can’t get PIP for mild anxiety or any mild health problem.

Unversal Credit for a single person over 25 had gone from £400.14 per month to £424.90. While it is probably true to say that it is an above inflation rise, it is an increase of £24.76 per month, which probably won’t even cover the increase in cost in food, let alone electricity, transport etc.

If you claim UC and don’t look for work, they won’t pay you, unless you have a good reason (eg illness).

The disability payment that is attached to UC -
it’s called LCWRA - has been cut in half for new claimants.

please get some accurate information and have a rethink.

Sorry but you absolutely can get PIP for mild anxiety if you know what to say. As someone who has previously worked in different welfare departments before it is absolutely shocking what PIP is awarded for sometimes. There are even people on Tik Tok coaching people what to say these days.

You don’t need a diagnosed condition to claim PIP. I know people think it’s based on condition but it’s not. It’s about day to day struggles caused by either a health condition or impairment. And it doesn’t need to be diagnosed.

Someone could have cancer and not get PIP whereas someone could have undiagnosed anxiety and not be on any medication but still get PIP.

This is why so many people are claiming PIP now, as it opens you up to so much more money/ perks.

Someone could also be earning 100k in a job role and STILL get PIP.

It’s a real shame as the term “disabled” has been watered down so much over the years and PIP / DLA have lost their original purpose. There are genuine people out there who need it, but who probably lose out or have to wait longer because of so many people putting in claims when they shouldn’t be.

A single person on UC won’t be raking it in no. But once you have kids and / or go down the disability route then that’s a different story.

So please don’t talk down to someone like that when you yourself also don’t have fully accurate information.

CandidLurker · 10/05/2026 19:36

Imdunfer · 10/05/2026 19:03

You are mixing up people claiming asylum with people who aren't registered as being in the country.

The people who arrive with no money in a boat or in the back of a lorry amd claim asylum aren't allowed to work. Of course they aren't being sent bills for their medical treatment and they are receiving treatment free for for all the ailments and injuries that anyone else would be treated for.

The people in the country illegally, if they get sick and need treatment, will either just suffer and possibly die, or declare themselves as being here and claim asylum, probably as a modern slave. They then become one of the people in the paragraph above.

Why wouldn’t everyone who comes here illegally just claim asylum if you get all the housing, medical treatment for free etc? You could still work illegally just like the people who arrive illegally do?