If you voted Reform, I would love to know why?

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I am not here to judge so would just like to hear from Reform voters for their reasoning.

It is quite worrying isn’t it? And this is coming from the intelligent people.

You would have thought that their high levels of intelligence would allow them to express themselves in more articulate ways.

Their opinions are valid and they have every right to express them but they are just intent on insulting people.

The high levels of emotion resulting in this kind of behaviour and the grievances they have explains why these people do not want to engage in the debate. They are angry and they want to hurt people with other views to theirs.

I hope if they get into government they deport every single man that has come over illegally and now living at the taxpayers expense, I do not want them freely walking around the community and its not about skin colour, its purely cultural.
They are in HMO round my way and they are intimidating and a menace.

But if they are here illegally they can't be living at the taxpayers' expense as they can't claim benefits without the correct papers which you only get when you are here legally. They might be working illegally but their income isn't from the public purse.

How are they housing and feeding themselves if not at the taxpayers expense?

How are they accessing GP and dental appointments if not at the taxpayers expense?

Or do you think they pay for it all themselves?

So how do they have paid for accommodation, 3 meals a day, phones,brand new clothes? Who do you think is paying for that?

Ridiculous! Of course it’s from the public purse. Where else do you think it comes from?

You can't get housing benefit etc if you are here illegally. It is called having no recourse to public funds. I think you can access some medical care if urgent but you have to pay for hospital treatment.

You actually can’t on some legal visas either. Student visas tend to also have no recourse, and graduates.

LTR allows it, I believe, but otherwise - no.

Students and graduate visas also involve paying an NHS surplus fee so you can access health services.

But I’m not sure those facts will change anyone’s mind about “free stuff!”

I didn’t vote Reform but can totally understand why some did.

The usual big mouths taking the moral high ground about Reform on this thread. Labour had very very little experience in business in the Cabinet. They were all career politicians and Starmer had no plans at all.

As a non Labour voter - it’s not necessarily KS who is the issue. It’s the policies they introduce, the u turns, the lack of any sort of plan and they had tons of time to put something together.

They were depressing enough when they won the election by talking everything down.

They then meddled with the WFA and went far too far with it.

The VAT on school fees has backfired spectacularly

Doing Sweet Fanny Adam’s on the small boats. Smash the gangs is a joke!
Letting in young men with no ID, processing them and then letting them stay. Just why?

We allow what 75% of claims to be approved. From people who have no ID. Other countries have much much less approvals. Why?

The Mandelson affair

Losing two Chief of Staffs

And most importantly for me. Backing down on welfare reform and removing the two child cap.

Of course it’s from the public purse! The GP appointments, dental care. Who do you think is paying for it.

they see what the mail tells them to see though. They generally have zero idea of what those people's lives are actually like.

Which of the other parties are going out of their way to attract that vote?

You can register with a GP whoever you are, but they can request payment upfront or after the event depending on what you are there for. You have to pay for hospital treatment although you can be seen in A&E if you are taken there. If you are here on a visa you have to pay to access the NHS, about 800-1000 a year which acts like a health insurance of sorts and allows you to mainly use the NHS like a UK citizen.

Judging from the Facebook messages on the various interest groups and towns that I follow, people voted Reform to “get our country back“.

There is something positive, for me who I am centre left, socialist minded, coming out of these election results. LBC is having a debate about nationalising certain sectors and industries. It is in the memorandum of some parties. It is taking more space in the general political talk and I am loving it!
I do want manufactiring back in UK, services to be ran by the councils (not expensive private compabies) and government, jobs been created and services to be cheaper for us all.

I think the NHS needs major reforms. This isn’t the 1960s anymore.

Id personally be in favour of paying for missed NHS appointments, even it means instalments.

I’d rather pay £30 for a GP appointment. It means people will think twice before wasting a GP’s time . Thats why so many people are now paying £60 a month for private health insurance. Because they want to see a GP when they need one.

Remember years ago you could ring a GP on a Monday and ask for an appointment on the Thursday or Friday ( obviously if it could wait) ?

Those days have gone where I am . You now have to ring at 8am for an ‘emergency appointment’ and spend 50 minutes on the phone for a receptionist to triage you . If you’re lucky you’ll get told a doctor will call you back at some point during the day.

Not much good to people who work or who can’t answer their phone at work.

The main political parties will continue to put more money in but more money will go out and nothing will change in the NHS in its current form.

Its easy to kick the can down the road and let future politicians make the hard decisions- but the current ones won’t .

Who actually reads the mail these days, I only have to open my front door to see it!

The big question is why can a person have private health insurance for £60 a month? Yet have to go through mission impossible when they pay much more than £60 per month on the NI contribution?

Because when we pay taxes we are paying for the whole system and for everyone, not just ourselves.

We are lucky in this country to have safety nets so that if the worst happens and we lose jobs/have a change in circumstances we can still receive medical treatment & benefits.

One day you might not be able to pay for your private healthcare & then you will be relieved it works this way.

Do you really think a young man who has arrived from an African country on a small boat across the channel is going to have to pay for his hospital treatment if he’s taken ill or if he’s involved in an accident. Of course he has to be treated, but it’s rather disingenuous to suggest that the British taxpayer won’t be picking up the tab.

I am not suggesting this would never happen. I'm sure it does. I'm saying unlimited free NHS treatment is not something given by the state to people who are here illegally. Someone here on holiday could do the same, and I'm sure have. We can't stop all people who are not UK citizens from setting foot in the country, and in some cases needing treatment. What they don't get is routine treatments and the health service can request payment up front.
I am sure it has also happened where UK nationals have used the health system abroad with no or inadequate insurance, returned home without paying and ended up costing the health service there. Unless we stop any kind of movement between countries this will happen. There will always be those taking advantage, and those who wouldn't dream of it.

NI pays for state pensions and other benefits as well as the NHS. It also pays for everyone else’s NHS treatment who isn’t paying NI (so pensioners, children, people who aren’t working etc).

It’s ridiculous that NI is only taken from employees under 66. It should be rolled into general tax.

There are several factual inaccuracies or misleading statements in this.

You can’t get PIP for mild anxiety or any mild health problem.

Unversal Credit for a single person over 25 had gone from £400.14 per month to £424.90. While it is probably true to say that it is an above inflation rise, it is an increase of £24.76 per month, which probably won’t even cover the increase in cost in food, let alone electricity, transport etc.

If you claim UC and don’t look for work, they won’t pay you, unless you have a good reason (eg illness).

The disability payment that is attached to UC -
it’s called LCWRA - has been cut in half for new claimants.

please get some accurate information and have a rethink.

Exactly. There are ways we could get a bit more funding into the NHS. They could increase the upper earnings limit contribution to a 3%.
We could have a thought about charging NI contributions to pensioners that can afford it. Maybe £30 per month for those with incomes of £25000 or higher per year, £60 for those on £35000 or higher....
I have not run any numbers, so it is just the idea.
Charging only those who work isnot working well enough because (luckily for us!) 0we lice longer. So we will have to find ways to reshuffle.

It should be rolled into general tax and everyone pays the same rate based on income, regardless of your age or where your income comes from. IE If your pension income is £30k per year you should pay the same NI as a worker earning £30k pay year.

Whatever works with people income, pension and NHS, that is affordable for them. Though, as a principle, I think keeping it lower than the working people will acknowledge that they worked hard for it before retiring.
Before charging anyone any more, we should get rid of this outsourcing at high prices. Reign it in. Open more practices, more doctors and nurses working for the NHS, and bring the GPs fully back into the NHS. Re-structure it to full efficiency. Less paperwork, more people treated. Less management, more people treating patients. Sort the issues with the training, favouring those slready working in the NHS above any others. And address the reasons why NHS workers leave the profession far too early.
There are ways. We just need someone doing it! Instead of just talking!