If you voted Reform, I would love to know why?

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I am not here to judge so would just like to hear from Reform voters for their reasoning.

@NorthXNorthWest I’m not sure why you think I don’t agree with you, I said in a pp it was wrong to make the housing market the economy and I think the tax cliff edges are wrong. I was simply replying to a point that housing equity gains had already been taxed. 🤷🏻‍♀️

But local candidates don’t have this power.

I think what OP wants to know is why reform voters voted for their local MP.

Birmingham have been Labour for as long as I can remember and I'm old. They lost overall control on 7th. Greens lost the Muslim vote with wanting drugs made legal. Labour did very badly because everyone is pissed off with not having their bins emptied for a year but having council tax increased 10 percent in 2025 and high again this year.

Great! Then there will be none of this repeated debate as everyone in their own half will be on the same page and we can all live happily ever after. 🎉

Sorry, I completely misread your comment. So much going on this thread!

@NorthXNorthWest no worries, I have lost track myself!

Many people from outside Europe does not realise that the colonisers did learn, practice and perfected their domineering tricks at home. People in medieval times, serfs, were very much slaves to the lord. They fought for improvements in their lives, all through centuries. And by tge tume the European empires were forge, the ordinary citizen was still struggling to just get by, under the thumb of the same lords.

And all this has nothing to do with current immigration, the boats, the NHS ,human rights, equality act, the civil service, community areas, help from the council occupational health for disable people, pot holes or bin collection days.
Nothing whatsoever.

Illegal immigrants aka known as asylum seekers . Even the Government itself refers to them as such

it does astound me how many people in the UK have the vote and seem to have no understanding of what they are voting for.

Pre-brexit a lot of people i know were going to vote leave "to give the government a bloody nose". Well they did that for sure, but then right after those same people were talking about "now we can send all the foreigners back" (except for one who was devastated at the result, "didn't mean it" and so on and so on. I broke contact because i was hugely affected by his idiotic vote)

I saw upthread that someone voted Reform "to give the government a bloody nose" - it is too early to tell but i guess some brown stuff is about to hit the labour party aircon. We'll see.

But. FFS people. I actually voted Tory a couple of times in the past for local elections because the Tory candidate was utterly fantastic on local issues. Really good. For a GE? I would no sooner do that than vote reform, or stick a flare up my backside to celebrate an England win at football.

People are feeling let down by 2 parties who seem to be self serving and live in the Westminster bubble. If someone comes along who talks the talk those people might listen

So you agree with Brexit?

The problem is that now with social media everyone can moan and call people stupid and idiotic if they don't vote the same as someone else.

Years ago voting was done privately, no one knew who anyone else voted for as it was always considered a personal question, rather like asking someone how much they earned.

Everyone is different, some people will do better under one party than another. Everyone votes for the party who will do something about issues which affect them personally.

And what if she does?

One of the many problems with Reform is that it starts with the illegal immigrants (and I will call them that because they either arrived here illegally or overstayed, illegally), then moves to immigrants bellow the 5 years VISA stay, because we are so many..., then moves to those who just got the right to remain, then goes for those who already had ILR for years.... All this from Farage's mouth. Basically, it comes to say, all foreigners. Or they will try to milk them by having them on a 5 year, higher tax, no health rights system, or chuck them out. And I do not see any fairness in this. Fair enough that any country in the world does not take immigration if they are full, or only by the professions they need and so on. But why does a foreigner that has been living in UK for 15 years, working, then got married and now have children have to see Farage threatening the ILR, retrospectively. All those with ILR are contributing to the system with their work and the taxes they pay, or they would not hace got the ILR. They are likely to speak English, if they are working in UK, aren't they? And so they are likely to be well into the integration in UK life path.
Reform seems to fixate in attacking people. Foreigners, disable, unemployed, civil servants.... and so on. They are all abusing the system. Take their benefits away, deport them, fire them...
Not so much about how to change the applications, the price of living in UK so people does not have to rely on UC, speed up that knee and hip replacements massive list that is affecting so many in UK.
They seem to be aggressive against the citizen. Particularly, the vulnerable ones.
Not so much about rich guys evading tax, accumulating wealth, squirreling it abroad, massive corporation profits...
What about those folks?

I think there's a big problem with agreeing or disagreeing with Brexit now.

At the time the vote was done, the EU were heading full steam ahead with the creation of the United States of Europe.

The Brexit vote was a huge shock to them, and the path of the EU after that vote is very likely to have changed between then and now.

I heard the new Hungarian PM, sworn in today, saying they are going to work at changing the EU from the inside instead of pulling out. That's exactly what Cameron tried to do and was rejected multiple times, so I wish them well. Our exit makes it much more likely that they will succeed in that but I'm at all not hopeful for them.

It cannot be assumed that the EU in 2026 is the same EU as it would have been without our exit vote 10 years ago.

Well exactly, all the idiots pulling over statues, demanding reparations are probably really excited by their shopping “hauls” that are so cheap because they’ve been made by people experiencing modern day slavery.

I honestly despair really, maybe these idiots should concentrate on not supporting the slave trade today rather than rabbiting on about something hundreds of years ago!

I get that (I didn’t bit reform though) - but local parties/MPs are more about the roads, pot holes, new builds etc.

therefore although you may have thoughts about the GE - it’s more sensible to vote for the one that aligns with your local area.

if that’s reform then fine that matches. But what I’m seeing here and on social media is people choosing a party that is suited to national reforms.

I voted for a party that I agreed with their ideas for my local area. This can change each time and sometimes doesn’t match who I vote for in GE.

My worry is that people may vote reform and think they’ll stop the boat etc, when actually the local policies are nothing about boats and they have voted for something weird!

Yes the same with me

Doesn't matter. That's done now. Need to move forward and poss negotiate later.

Nobody owns slaves now but all the landed gentry and wealthy families are wealthy because their ancestors did. A lot of wealth we are still enjoying today is build on the back of slave trade and colonialism hundred of years ago.

Same as British people still benefit from the foundations of the country built on wealth, people from poor counters suffer still from problems inherited from the days of colonisation (for example, conflict between India and Pakistan has a lot to do with the British colonial rule).

Its funny how you swear at and patronise someone who obviously knows more about history than you do.

Your last paragraph sounds horrible and very sad, but do you really think it can be rectified now? What can be done now they are here? Deport all these people - but what if they are British passport holders already? Just out of interest, what would be the solution?

In order to move forward, you need to accept it was a massive mistake.

But, is this a matter for immigration or the police and local authority?
For the violence, the police surely.
Arrest whoever is causing the aggressions, and if needed, then deport. If it is a criminal offence and they are not British.
For the dump, the council surely is the one to intervene. Clean the area. Place cameras. Fine people. Find the issue. Is it because they are unemployed and have not much better to do? Is it drugs? What is it?
Here, the centre is fine. But the streets leading to it have been taken by hostels taking people coming out of jail, on drugs, difficult to manage teens that had to be removed from their homes and are now in care... It is intimidating to walk by at times. Groups of people talking loudly outside the building, glass bottles, more litter than usual. The scary dangerous ones are the drug addicts. You never know. Though they are mostly harmless, they can turn violent suddenly. I do not feel comfortable about my daughter walking on her own, particularly at night, when the dealers go around.
But what is the real problem? That the council has put them all on the effing main street leading to the centre! And they have an ability to turn a blind eye to drug dealers!
If they were to send the dealers to jail for a long long time and the others to rehab and councelling, it will work better and cheaper.
For me the problem is not the foreigner, or the addict or the person in crisis per se, but that we seem to have become unable to manage anything and just stuck it somewhere and chuck money at it.

The architects won't so it falls on others. But we won't get back what we had.

I do agree with you. I understand that having your small rural town turned into something unpleasant is really upsetting but I dont think the immigrants are the only issue here.

I'm very scared of the prospect of something like ICE in this country. Its terrifying, hence my question.