If you voted Reform, I would love to know why?

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I am not here to judge so would just like to hear from Reform voters for their reasoning.

@SleeplessInWherever If you’re not prioritising your time so you can socialise, then that’s a you issue.

If I choose not to socialise, then my expectation should be that my hard work should pay off, but it doesn't because of the culture of cronyism and nepotism that exists in all workplaces.

How is the system set up against working class men specifically?

Questions like this betray an astonishing level of ignorance.

Go and do your homework regarding the burden of occupational disease.

I'm among the people who has a chronic condition as a result of out of touch management not giving a shit about the well being of working class people.

You're answer is whataboutery with no reliationship to the lived experience which the poster is attempting to describe to you and which you have completely dismissed.

This dismissal is why we got Brexit and the politicians haven't learned from that and now we have Reform.

@shuggles

If you choose not to socialise when you’re not at work, that’s nothing to do with your employer.

I don’t need to. My uncle died of asbestosis. Nigel Farage could not have helped him with that.

I’m working class, I come from one of the most deprived areas of the country. That doesn’t make me a victim, and it doesn’t make you one either.

Holy Fuck. How is something that happened hundreds of years ago the fault of British people today? Nobody today in the UK has ever owned slaves, and nobody moving here has ever been owned by a person here. The thought of slavery is abhorrent to Britons. Stop making an absolute arse of yourself, ffs.

Your not you're in the post above

Around 50 million people are living under modern slavery today, often in plain sight. Mostly in Asian countries. Maybe we should be concerned about that, rather than blaming British people today for something that was abolished by the British Empire around 200 years ago.

😂😂. Great response.

The argument from the pp was that ‘multiculturalism was forced on us’. Our ancestors forced this on us a long time ago by interfering in the rest of the world and believing that white people are the superior race.

Oh, ffs. Not this shit again.

most ordinary people in this country have ancestors who were scrabbling around trying to make ends meet and being shat on from a great height by the same people who engaged in slavery.

and, more recently, I seem to remember the biggest mass demonstration in history to show Blair that ordinary people weren’t behind him in his bloodlust.

So no. Most people aren’t reaping what they sowed. They’re having to live with the consequences of some other fucker’s seed sowing, generally public school educated, family wealth enjoying men.

‘Our ancestors’? Most of our ancestors would have been ordinary people trying to get by in their villages. They wouldn’t even have known what the wealthy ‘elite’ were up to.

Why don’t we just split the UK in half? Then those who want illegal immigrants to keep coming, to pay for all their needs, translation, etc, to not deport foreign criminals because it breaches their human rights, to give billions to France to (not) stop the boats, to let people claim PIP for mild anxiety, to have working people worse off than someone claiming their tax free benefits, to legalise drugs, to make pensions means tested and to have pensioners sell their homes to compensate, can all live in one half.

Everyone else can live in the other half? Which one would flourish I wonder?

Oh, Jesus fucking Christ....😂

Someone should point out the 25% of of population who are disabled is not the figure receiving PIP and DLA is far lower (4.8m vs 16.8m). I am probably ‘disabled’ under that heading because I have a lifelong medical condition. I have never claimed benefits, nor do I ever expect to and I work full time.

@SleeplessInWherever I don’t need to. My uncle died of asbestosis.

If you've experienced that, then why ask obnoxious questions like this?

"How is the system set up against working class men specifically?"

I think your neighbour means illegal immigrants. I have nothing at all against immigrants who are in the UK legally and work and contribute to paying tax. It is illegal immigrants that cost the UK tax payer £12k just to get them processed, £41k on average to accomodate them for 1 year, then huge legal fees whilst they appeal and appeal. On top of this their healthcare, education for children and care homes for elderly. These people have paid nothing in to the UK economy. You are not an illegal immigrant, you work and pay into the UK economy. There is a huge difference and I think your neighbour was referring to illegal immigrants.

These days “disability” is such a broad spectrum which is why so many people are classed as disabled. DLA was originally for severely disabled people. That definition has been watered down significantly over the years. My sister is technically disabled but wouldn’t dream of claiming anything as she is not significantly disabled.

Hmmm. Not sure why Grandpa's efforts and mums ability to keep the show on the road means that I should be grateful the government didn't take more? I simply inherited what was meant for me, as I hope my children do too. We might have to agree to disagree on that one!

I think it is more disingenuous to focus primarily on the outcome rather than the underlying causes of the issue.

Yes, older homeowners like your parents benefited from house price inflation. Mine didn’t. But people like them did not create the conditions that drove it. The real drivers were decades of cheap credit, constrained housing supply, planning restrictions, demographic change, institutional investment, housing increasingly being treated as an asset class and an economy becoming overly reliant on asset inflation.

No major party has really shown it has a credible long-term answer to this.
Tax should be a useful tool, not a blunt-force sledgehammer. A reasonable solution needs to focus not just on the visible outcome, e.g. your parents sitting in valuable homes. There is almost no focus on the structures, incentives and policy decisions that created the situation in the first place.

I am not against tax but just against “tax everything”. Questions should be as about whether the wider system is effective at deploying money effectively: infrastructure, education, productivity growth, sustainably lifting people out of poverty and ensuring people are genuinely rewarded for work and/or their contribution, e.g. carers.

IMO the system is increasingly pushing more costs and risks onto individuals and the public whilst reducing their opportunities to achieve any meaningful level of security or control. Ownership of assets and the means for financial independence are increasingly concentrated amongst large corporates and institutional investors, with profit extraction often left largely unchecked.
Water, transport, healthcare contracts and long-term public liabilities are all real-world examples where households and taxpayers often end up carrying more of the burden over time, whilst significant private gains have already been extracted.

Why aren’t you asking about capital leakage, policy failures, inefficiency or whether money is actually reaching the areas that generate the greatest long-term benefit for society and the wider economy? Why reduce everything down to “someone has something you do not, therefore tax it harder”, whilst the deeper structural problems remain largely untouched?

I think you’ve misunderstood my point. It’s not about choosing not to claim in my case, I am not what I would consider disabled, I can work full time without issue, my point was that I will likely show up in the ‘25%’ because I have a lifelong medical condition which means I get free prescriptions for life. The poster was framing the statistic as if 25% of people receive benefits, 25% is misleading

Illegal does mean illegal. As in under the radar. They won't be costing anything, because they want to stay under the radar.

Where is the laugh emoji when you need it!

Just how will Reform stop the boats when previous governments and the current one have failed?

Ah your comment didn’t show the other posters comment. When you take into account people claiming DLA, PIP, UC health allowance and AA then around 10 million people are claiming some sort of benefit for a disability and that figure is rising.

I would love nothing more than to be able to split the country in half and watch the Reform
supporters experience a country run by Farage from afar.

I didn’t vote reform but wanted to correct the posters about the Dublin agreement. We sent very very few people back via that scheme and some years we ended up taking more than we sent! In order to deploy it the person has had to formally claim asylum in another EU country and have their biometrics on record. Naturally migrants are aware of this and take great care not to do claim asylum elsewhere. And indeed the French in particular deter people from doing so - for very similar reasons.

The numbers on the boats do reflect the CO2 monitors at Calais. I say that as someone who previously worked in immigration including at the Juxtaposed controls. Before the monitors searching a large lorry took hours with a large number of people. With the CO2 probes you just stick them in and it flags up in minutes. The lorry therefore goes absolutely nowhere and you don’t need to search it.

I don’t actually think the numbers are actually higher - so many made it on the lorries and were never caught or registered here. It’s just that via the boat route they’re visible and now counted - before that they’d fade into the black economy.