If you voted Reform, I would love to know why?

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I am not here to judge so would just like to hear from Reform voters for their reasoning.

Because mass immigration has completely destroyed my sense of identity. Also, multiculturalism has been IMPOSED on us. There was no vote, no referendum. And then the left have the nerve to call Farage a fascist! THEY’RE the fascists. Imagine a small tribe in the Amazon, with its own sense of history and culture. If that tribe allows in one or two people from outside, they can maintain their identity. If they let in hundreds, their identity will disappear. Simple.

On top of that, this country is overcrowded. My local woods have been hacked down and replaced with two new estates, and now we’ve been told another massive estate is going to be built in the centre of the village. But no matter how many of these horrible rabbit hutches we jam together, we always need more, more, more. Judging by the languages, I’d say the majority of people who’ve moved onto those estates were not born in the U.K.

Then there is the question who we are letting in. Not every immigrant ‘enriches’ you. They can do, of course (T. S. Eliot and Henry James were both immigrants), but they can also make your country much worse. My neighbour recently told me he no longer feels safe taking his 12-year-old daughter into town, and I don’t blame him. My home town has gone from a quiet market town to a violent, overcrowded dump, and that is largely due to the people who have moved here.

@ilovesleep6

But many people do all of that I love? Enjoy their money and leave some ?

Of course many people don't care what ends up with their money but many wealthier money savvy people very much do.
Hence paying private school fees directly to avoid it and all sorts of ruses

So many virtue signallers out here today

Well, as I said above, the house that was the product of my work (and that of my ex husband) was sold and my half taken on medical treatment that the NHS wouldn't provide. Because no matter now much I stamped my feet and demanded support from the state it wouldn't be available to be, so I cracked on and prolonged my own working life through private surgery.

Maybe I should have just sat back, become disabled and then claimed everything under the sun....

Envy - a terrible thing

Depends what you mean by “everything under the sun,” top rate PIP is £778, so I’m assuming you don’t mean that?

I don't think people would mind this so much if gains were index linked. But they're not.

I think you misunderstand. I said the reason many poorer areas had embraced reform was they have lived through harder times themselves and objected to paying for benefits going to people living what they percieve is an easier life than them.
As opposed to MC anti-Reform voters who have no real-life experience just a lot of 'sympathy'

The things happen

UC, free everything that goes with it because my income would be under the 7k ish to qualify, Motability car with free tyres etc, plus PIP......

Fair enough, I think I probably agree with you anyway.

I would never vote reform because I just find some of the language they have used, and the policies announced, too extreme and ideologically focused. It all feels incredibly divisive and that makes me deeply uncomfortable. I also think Farage is all fur coat and no knickers.

BUT I do think that those in the centre of politics who are not idealistic but pragmatists are feeling politically homeless. So, many of us are left trying to choose the better of the shit options.

Go for it, if you qualify?

That’s what those benefits are for, people that need them.

If you need them, and would qualify for them, I’m sure your more reasonable tax payer wouldn’t begrudge you of them.

Yes because, for each generation that inherits, it’s a windfall. And it should be taxed. £1.9m divided by 2 is still a lottery win for most people. Have a word with yourself.

I have a family in the US who pay huge amount in health insurance (they run their own business) and still have to pay thousands on top of that in additional costs if insurance does not cover it, especially for medication that their insurance does not cover.

Any private healthcare scheme can still deny you treatment and make you pay full price, so if the NHS thought your issue was "cosmetic" it could have been the same story with the private insurance. I was denied treatment on BUPA previously for a painful shoulder as they decided it was unnecessary and I had to pay for it myself.

@sunshinehappydaysif you’re worried about your son being taxed on the money ‘again’, you could ask your in-laws to bypass your husband and leave it to your son instead. That way it will only be taxed once. Win win?

OMG!!!

Gordon Brown who sold off over half of the UK gold reserves, and knocked £5 billion a year off pension funds? He also brought in tax credits, when everyone said it was a terrible idea. Not forgetting he failed to regulate the banks properly which was a disaster in the 2008 financial crisis. His overuse of PFI also cost billions more than traditional government borrowing.

Let’s just hope that he’s not advising Rachel Reeves 😱

I'm not begrudging anybody anything, do keep up!

I was told I should be grateful because I used inherited money to but my house as I'd sold my own property to fund medical care. This was done to keep me mobile and working from my mid 40s onwards and I was stating that the alternative to taking responsibility for my own medicL treatment was to become disabled and cost the state a fortune.

Of course I'm not going to 'go for it.' How silly. I'm doing quite the reverse.

Honestly if you can't be bothered to read posts properly then don't bother commenting either!

There is a world of difference between living in leafy Dulwich or Oxford for example and living in a sink estate in a rough part of town. You know that of course. You will also know that immigration hotels do not tend to be plonked on Kensington High Street.

But it’s completely wrong to pretend every Labour voter lives in Dulwich or Oxford and that all parts of those areas are the same.

Wage stagnation has hit all brackets, but the higher your income, the less catastropic that will be. Clearly.

Higher income earners on PAYE here are paying tax in line with other European countries it’s lower and middle earners who pay less. Plus the cliff edges affect the higher PAYE earners.

You're just being silly now and i don't know what point you are making. That no one gets UC because i didn't??

I think by point is clear…

It’s simply ludicrous to claim the majority of labour voters are high earners who live in the best parts of Dulwich or equivalent.

So your argument is to try to judge me by what news outlets you think I read? Cute.

I am not sure why you think the Tories didn't implement austerity measures. A simple investigation such as typing it into Google will tell you they did. It was widely known about and understood and documented and all that.

There is also plenty of evidence of billionaires not paying their way. Have a google about Farage's recent 5m donation for example.

Also, hot tip - you can find out about Reform's plans directly from Reform, no need to use trusted news sources if you don't wish to. It's how I do know about it... I don't just think I know...I educate myself so that I actually do know. I find that is a great way to learn and know things.

Can you show me where i said that?
Clue: i didn't.

and objected to paying for benefits going to people living what they percieve is an easier life than them

I think the key word is perceive

I hear you. I live a few miles from Glasgow and you ought to see the state of the city centre. It's like a third world shanty town, and at weekends it's like an open air asylum. That's what happens when a city council takes in over 400% more immigrants and asylum seekers than it's obligated to. Virtue signalling that's gone completely, certifiably insane.

Edited for spelling.

@SleeplessInWherever People who are “anti authority” don’t tend to do too well in the workplace.

Do you seriously think I act anti-authority in the workplace?

Drugs fair enough, they’re not for me either. But unless you’re working 16hr days every day, that’s not why you’re not socialising. Get yourself outside or go for a pint or something.

Working 16 hours a day? Do you survive on 4 hours of sleep or what? Obviously there's time needed for commuting, eating, and doing general "life admin" tasks.

”The system” (🤷🏻‍♀️) has also not been designed to trample working class men.

Bullshit.

Increased minimum wage for starters. Breakfast clubs in schools. Just two things off the top of my head. Tbf I actually didn’t mention Labour or say I was a Labour voter, but elitist Nigel who just accepted £5 million from a foreign donor doesn’t give af about working people.