Page 24 | If you voted Reform, I would love to know why?

AplineDaisies · 2026-05-08T23:58:14+00:00

I am not here to judge so would just like to hear from Reform voters for their reasoning.

LoyalMember · 09/05/2026 15:12

TheSnootiestFox · 09/05/2026 15:06

Well, years ago (when that last Labour government were in charge, the ones that allowed mass uncontrolled immigration to begin) I was struggling to conceive due to my PCOS. While I was in the same waiting room ironically as it was the then IVF unit, I was waiting for my metformin review due to not being allowed NHS IVF due to my BMI being fractionally too high because you know, I have PCOS 🙄 and there were several couples in with their interpreters waiting for their NHS IVF appointments. That rather peeved me too and was in no way more cost effective for the state.

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Sighs, wistfully.... As much as you're fully, 100% entitled to feel aggrieved, and I happen to agree with you, you know you'll get piled on, called wrong and be labelled a racist.

ThisDandyWriter · 09/05/2026 15:12

Burritoplease · 09/05/2026 08:35

If Reform ended up in power we’d have no NHS before long and as you say, they wouldn’t be able to afford private healthcare. I work for the NHS and it keeps me awake at night sometimes as I love my job and worry it would disappear. Honestly reform will not help working class people. It’s a big fat con. I wish people realised that.

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Well how is Labour helping working people? Pray tell.

TeenagersAngst · 09/05/2026 15:14

sofiathewurst · 09/05/2026 13:38

I know he hasn't explicitly said a US model. I think it is a worry to many that he would be motivated to do this though, given the opportunities for huge profits for the chosen few. And people who don't like him do not trust him to have the country's best interests at heart. If he wanted to implement a model such as those used in eg France or Germany I don't think there would be such a backlash, it's just that people maybe don't know much about insurance based models that are not the harsh, and to many very undesirable, US model.

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Well, I have to take politicians at their word otherwise there's literally no point. It would be political suicide to move the NHS from its current model to the US model and it makes no sense when there are plenty of options in between.

ThisDandyWriter · 09/05/2026 15:15

eyeballer · 09/05/2026 13:55

There aren’t millions of people having dc for benefits, just look at birth rates. Plus no country has reversed birth rates once below replacement rate despite much bigger financial incentives.

“The number of children in the English school system is decreasing. The latest official forecasts suggest there will be 400,000 fewer pupils by 2030, with primary numbers alone projected to fall by about 7 per cent from 2025 to the end of the decade.”

Its dreadful for many schools as funding is based on headcount.

er, given Labour removed the child benefit gap less that a year ago, clearly that will not have yet affected school places??!!!

DrasticAction · 09/05/2026 15:17

@ilovesleep6 I can assure you many people are suddenly turning their minds to who is getting their money ! It's not crass at all it's very sensible to work out "legacy ".

SeriaMau · 09/05/2026 15:17

caringcarer · 09/05/2026 02:26

The UK has almost open borders policy. We cannot afford to pay for the people who already live here and yet almost everyday between 100-200 more illegal immigrants come. To process each on cost £12k. They all need accomodation on average costing taxpayer £41k each per year. They need feeding, healthcare, the children need education and elders need care. These people have paid nothing into the UK economy they just want to take. Meanwhile people who have paid into UK econyall their working lives wait over a year for a much needed operation. Our schools are in desperate need of equipment and old buildings upgrading and modernised. We don't have enough houses for people already living here. We need to accommodate those people who have paid into the UK through taxes ffirst. We need to put a freeze on all immigration for a year whilst we sort the country out. Our country can no longer defend itself. Far more budget should go to defence also boosting our economy as our armed forces buy new British made equipment. We don't have the funding for this whilst 25 percent of the country is disabled according to the Disability Alliance using DWP figures for 2024. Disability benefits should be scaled back and those with mild anxiety, depression or ADHD should not get benefits for disability. UC claimants got an above inflationn rise this year in benefits. I think too many people only work 2 or 3 days a week because they think I'll just stay home and claim UC top up rather than working full time. I think if people choose to work part time instead of full time they should not be given UC top ups. The tax payer should not be funding a lifestyle choice. As a nation we need to get more young people in the workplace. UC as an out of work benefit should have an expiry date of 6-12 months. If people don't even apply for jobs they should lose their benefits. We need to build more houses for social housing boosting our economy and the money saved from UC could be used to restock social housing for hardworking families who may be on minimum wage but often working 60 hours a week. At the moment tax is taken away from these hard working people to fund those choosing to only work 2-3 days a week. I think ex service employees who leave the forces should be given more support to find a job and social housing if they need it. I'm hoping we come out of ECHR and instead create a UK bill of rights that gives same protections but does not recognise rights of immigrants to stay. Especially those already convicted of crimes in their own countries. Honestly they pretend to be gay and persecuted in their own country just so they can stay, yet often have wives and children. Once in the UK having asylum there should be no being allowed to bring across wives, children, parents or siblings. Overseas students should not be able to get money from SLC because so many go back home and never repay this money. If they want to study in UK there own countries should lend them money and get it back after graduation. There are too many EDI people employed at huge expense in public services like the NHS. There is already diversity there.NHS money should go to employing more nurses and doctors, more equipment, to get through waiting lists more quickly. Peywho do not attend appointments should be fined £100 for each missed appointment. If they don't pay the fine on installments if necessary they should go to the bottom of the appointment queue. A missed GP appointment should carry a £50 fine for time wasted. These fines money could fund more NHS dental appointments so every child can have a NHS dentist. Tax bands should start at £15k to encourage more people back into workplace. Stupid tax on farmers should be reversed, as should additional tax on LL's as this tax increase is just passed in to tenants anyway. Nigel won't shy away from making tough decisions.

You do know these were local council elections, right? Potholes, bin collections..?

LoveHearts69 · 09/05/2026 15:17

ilovesleep6 · 09/05/2026 14:34

Half of £1.9m is still a substantial sum to get. If you are splitting a house between two siblings you would likely need to sell the house anyway. And it sounds like there are pension funds on top of that making the estate even larger.

It seems a bit crass for you to be worrying like this about your in-laws estate anyway when they’re not even dead yet. It’s their money and who knows, maybe they will need years of care before they die which will reduce the IHT bill significantly. Or maybe they will spend it on cruises before they die, which would be within their right to do so. Maybe one will remarry after the other dies and leave it all to their new partner.

Inheritance is not a God given right. and something many parents are not even able to leave behind. It’s just gross for adult children to be seething about the IHT bill they may be faced with when their parents are still alive and breathing.

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Shocking that this is someone’s entire reason for putting Farage in power as well. 😩

ilovesleep6 · 09/05/2026 15:18

DrasticAction · 09/05/2026 15:17

@ilovesleep6 I can assure you many people are suddenly turning their minds to who is getting their money ! It's not crass at all it's very sensible to work out "legacy ".

Your estate could be wiped out in a few years if you need to go into a care home.

It IS crass to count on getting someone’s money when they die, as it’s not your right to inherit it. It’s THEIR money and they could spend it on cruises, care, gambling in vegas etc and there’s nothing you can do about it.

Thunderdcc · 09/05/2026 15:21

climbintheback · 09/05/2026 04:22

You do realise this vote will feed into the GE.

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How? It's two completely separate votes. There is no reason to vote consistently unless you want to.

If the new Reform councillors fuck everything up locally (or fail to stop immigration into their local town) I suppose people might not vote Reform in a general election.

SeriaMau · 09/05/2026 15:23

shuggles · 09/05/2026 13:04

@AplineDaisies I am anti establishment and anti authority. There are too many "liberal elites" in positions of authority who are too easily able to sweep wrong-doings under the rug. These are the sorts of people who, when challenged or questioned on something, they pull a stupid face and pretend that they don't understand the question. So nothing ever changes.

I have studied and work hard all of my life. I don't socialise or do drugs because I prefer to work instead. Yet, I have gotten nowhere, because the system has been designed by the elites to trample over working class men like me.

The only solution is a complete abolition of the current "2 party" political system, and the destruction of all authority. It won't be something that can be achieved over night, but we can work towards it a step at a time. That's why I am backing Reform to win the next general election.

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Wow, in the unlikely event that Reform come to power I will love to hear how you cope. I really don’t get the sense Reform are about installing a liberal democracy where people are free to follow their hopes, dreams and desires. Unless I suppose you are white, wealthy and upper middle class.

RedTagAlan · 09/05/2026 15:24

TheSnootiestFox · 09/05/2026 15:06

Well, years ago (when that last Labour government were in charge, the ones that allowed mass uncontrolled immigration to begin) I was struggling to conceive due to my PCOS. While I was in the same waiting room ironically as it was the then IVF unit, I was waiting for my metformin review due to not being allowed NHS IVF due to my BMI being fractionally too high because you know, I have PCOS 🙄 and there were several couples in with their interpreters waiting for their NHS IVF appointments. That rather peeved me too and was in no way more cost effective for the state.

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You can look up how much is spent on interpreters by the NHS. That's assuming what you saw were NHS paid, or people helping.

Sample here:

NHS spending on interpreters and translation services - The TaxPayers' Alliance (taxpayersalliance.com)

From that :

If all NHS trusts had responded, the total spending on interpreters and translation services by the NHS in 2019-20 to 2021-22 is estimated to be £174,228,629. This is over £60.3 million higher than the total of the responses we have reported on.

So that year, the total was about half of the 350 mil a week that Farage promised.

NHS spending on interpreters and translation services

NHS service providers have an obligation to ensure interpreting and translation services are provided to their patients free at the point of delivery. This can be provided face-to-face, over the phone or via other means like video conference.[1] Howeve...

https://taxpayersalliance.com/nhs-spending-on-interpreters-and-translation-services/

SeriaMau · 09/05/2026 15:26

sunshinehappydays · 09/05/2026 14:09

I haven’t read the full thread, and probably won’t, because people who voted Reform tend to be dismissed or sneered at in spaces like this. But for me, my vote came down largely to inheritance tax changes.

My parents-in-law worked incredibly hard all their lives and didn’t retire until their seventies. Under the changes Labour plans to make, my father-in-law’s pension will now also fall into the estate for inheritance tax purposes. Realistically, when they pass away, we’ll likely have to sell their house and hand over a huge proportion of the estate in tax — potentially around £500k.

I know people have different views on taxation, but personally I find the thought devastating. That money could have been genuinely life-changing for our family, and it’s painful to think that after a lifetime of hard work, they will not be able to pass on what they spent decades building.

Poverty - a terrible thing. My commiserations.

TheSnootiestFox · 09/05/2026 15:31

ilovesleep6 · 09/05/2026 14:34

Half of £1.9m is still a substantial sum to get. If you are splitting a house between two siblings you would likely need to sell the house anyway. And it sounds like there are pension funds on top of that making the estate even larger.

It seems a bit crass for you to be worrying like this about your in-laws estate anyway when they’re not even dead yet. It’s their money and who knows, maybe they will need years of care before they die which will reduce the IHT bill significantly. Or maybe they will spend it on cruises before they die, which would be within their right to do so. Maybe one will remarry after the other dies and leave it all to their new partner.

Inheritance is not a God given right. and something many parents are not even able to leave behind. It’s just gross for adult children to be seething about the IHT bill they may be faced with when their parents are still alive and breathing.

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It absolutely isn't, it's called financial planning. This is how sensible families roll and they don't end up with multiple generations of benefit claimants.

I had a good chunk to pay on care fees and my mother knew this would have to happen once she'd gone. She was appalled as she'd worked from the age of 15 and felt like she'd done her bit already, plus the house she lived in was actually bought for her by my grandad who risked his life in the Merchant Navy during the war and spent months away from his family at sea afterwards to be in a position to set mum up when she was widowed quite young.

My home now is a direct result of the prudence of my grandparents and parents. Inheritance tax is nothing but a direct assault on those families that have done the right thing for generations, frankly.

SleeplessInWherever · 09/05/2026 15:31

shuggles · 09/05/2026 13:04

@AplineDaisies I am anti establishment and anti authority. There are too many "liberal elites" in positions of authority who are too easily able to sweep wrong-doings under the rug. These are the sorts of people who, when challenged or questioned on something, they pull a stupid face and pretend that they don't understand the question. So nothing ever changes.

I have studied and work hard all of my life. I don't socialise or do drugs because I prefer to work instead. Yet, I have gotten nowhere, because the system has been designed by the elites to trample over working class men like me.

The only solution is a complete abolition of the current "2 party" political system, and the destruction of all authority. It won't be something that can be achieved over night, but we can work towards it a step at a time. That's why I am backing Reform to win the next general election.

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People who are “anti authority” don’t tend to do too well in the workplace.

What do you mean, the destruction of authority. If Farage gets in at the next GE, he’ll be the authority. So then you’ll have to be anti-Farage right?

Drugs fair enough, they’re not for me either. But unless you’re working 16hr days every day, that’s not why you’re not socialising. Get yourself outside or go for a pint or something.

”The system” (🤷🏻‍♀️) has also not been designed to trample working class men.

If anything, it’s been designed to trample women, so that’s a fairly large misplaced chip you have on your shoulder.

DrasticAction · 09/05/2026 15:31

@ilovesleep6 not on an estate with a few million .

DrasticAction · 09/05/2026 15:32

And so what ? People understand that ! They still usually want to pass on their assets to their family members and not the state.@ilovesheep
It's not crass if the family (as many are ) are openly discussing these thing .

ilovesleep6 · 09/05/2026 15:33

DrasticAction · 09/05/2026 15:32

And so what ? People understand that ! They still usually want to pass on their assets to their family members and not the state.@ilovesheep
It's not crass if the family (as many are ) are openly discussing these thing .

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Assets that have escalated in value due to a crazy housing market. It’s unearned wealth and should be taxed accordingly.

ilovesleep6 · 09/05/2026 15:34

TheSnootiestFox · 09/05/2026 15:31

It absolutely isn't, it's called financial planning. This is how sensible families roll and they don't end up with multiple generations of benefit claimants.

I had a good chunk to pay on care fees and my mother knew this would have to happen once she'd gone. She was appalled as she'd worked from the age of 15 and felt like she'd done her bit already, plus the house she lived in was actually bought for her by my grandad who risked his life in the Merchant Navy during the war and spent months away from his family at sea afterwards to be in a position to set mum up when she was widowed quite young.

My home now is a direct result of the prudence of my grandparents and parents. Inheritance tax is nothing but a direct assault on those families that have done the right thing for generations, frankly.

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You should know then that care fees can eradicate someone’s estate very quickly. Counting on inheriting is a fool’s game as your parent may need care for years. Or they may piss it up the wall in Vegas. It’s not your right to have it.

sunshinehappydays · 09/05/2026 15:35

Our IHT liabilities are nothing to do with the rise in housing prices. It’s purely to do with the new tax on my FILs pension.

TheSnootiestFox · 09/05/2026 15:36

LoyalMember · 09/05/2026 15:12

Sighs, wistfully.... As much as you're fully, 100% entitled to feel aggrieved, and I happen to agree with you, you know you'll get piled on, called wrong and be labelled a racist.

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😁 I know. And do you know what, I don't actually care because the people calling me names clearly don't understand what racism actually is.....

I am not a racist, I don't believe any race of people is superior to another or that people should be treated differently due to their race. I just expect the contribution that I make through taxation and NI payments to be put to best use.

dottiehens · 09/05/2026 15:40

ILikeDinosaurs · 09/05/2026 03:31

@caringcarer

What a load of copy pasted crap. But I'll bite.

But first, a question: Nigel says he wants to kill off the NHS - why do YOU agree with that, since you are a Reformer? Why do you personally want a US-style insurance system? I've asked this question elsewhere online and not a single answer.

Our country can no longer defend itself. Far more budget should go to defence also boosting our economy as our armed forces buy new British made equipment. We don't have the funding for this whilst 25 percent of the country is disabled according to the Disability Alliance using DWP figures for 2024.

So you are really saying DISABLED PEOPLE should suffer for the sake of military spending?! Seriously?? "Caringcarer" indeed.

I'm hoping we come out of ECHR and instead create a UK bill of rights that gives same protections but does not recognise rights of immigrants to stay.

What about immigrants who have lived here for the better part of the last century and have paid their taxes, lived in peace and have committed no crimes? Will their right to live here be no longer recognised for not being white??

And who is going to draft this bill of rights for ordinary people - Nigel, with his band of billionaire backers, who refuse to pay their equal and fair share of taxes, are going to protect YOUR human rights???

There are too many EDI people employed at huge expense in public services like the NHS. There is already diversity there.NHS money should go to employing more nurses and doctors, more equipment, to get through waiting lists more quickly.

There won't BE an NHS, because Nigel doesn't believe in it, or support it. So you are talking rubbish. Stop being a copy/paste parrot and use your brain.

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You should know that many of those immigrants you mentioned do not need defending from the recent immigration mess and criminal in masses import. They are also fed up. Many of them voted for Reform. They once came here and worked hard to earn the right to be here. Very different to the way the country is going now. They dislike the idea of the U.K becoming like the countries they left behind for a better future and life.

DrasticAction · 09/05/2026 15:41

I'm not getting the care home obsession ?

TheSnootiestFox · 09/05/2026 15:41

ilovesleep6 · 09/05/2026 15:34

You should know then that care fees can eradicate someone’s estate very quickly. Counting on inheriting is a fool’s game as your parent may need care for years. Or they may piss it up the wall in Vegas. It’s not your right to have it.

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It absolutely is my right if that's what my family wanted, and she did. It is absolutely not the Government's right to expect generations of my family to fund those in care that made no provision for themselves or fund whatever else in their huge benefits bill.

SleeplessInWherever · 09/05/2026 15:41

TheSnootiestFox · 09/05/2026 15:31

It absolutely isn't, it's called financial planning. This is how sensible families roll and they don't end up with multiple generations of benefit claimants.

I had a good chunk to pay on care fees and my mother knew this would have to happen once she'd gone. She was appalled as she'd worked from the age of 15 and felt like she'd done her bit already, plus the house she lived in was actually bought for her by my grandad who risked his life in the Merchant Navy during the war and spent months away from his family at sea afterwards to be in a position to set mum up when she was widowed quite young.

My home now is a direct result of the prudence of my grandparents and parents. Inheritance tax is nothing but a direct assault on those families that have done the right thing for generations, frankly.

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My home is the product of my own work, and I’ve never claimed benefits in my life. Despite not having a wealthy parent or grandparent to ensure that didn’t happen.

If an individual had 600k, and did use residence allowance, they’re leaving £560k. That’s assuming they’re not using the £1m allowance for married couples.

That is not hardship, and it’s not assault either.

Frankly if you’re complaining about only getting £560k, you’re incredibly out of touch, and even more ungrateful.

Katypp · 09/05/2026 15:42

eyeballer · 09/05/2026 13:51

@Katypp a lot of your post doesn’t make sense.

They live in nicer areas and are homeowners, so don't see any of the issues around immigration they say don't happen

Wage stagnation has impacted the vast majority of workers. Many labour voters do live in cities and are immigrants or 2nd gen immigrants.

that they have lived through hardship and think it's bloody unfair that they are now contributing to enable more and more people to stay at home with a better standard of living than they have and do it tax free as well.

And yet you couldn’t claim UC but there are millions living better on benefits?

I don’t mind the lifting of the 2 child cap, yes there might be some who get it who are “feckless” but it’s better for society to lift children out of poverty long term. And I say this has someone who felt they could only afford 2 dc.

How can you assume the average labour voter has never experienced hardship?!

OK. You are clearly deliberatly 'misunderstanding' what i wrote.
To take your questions in turn:

They live in nicer areas and are homeowners, so don't see any of the issues around immigration they say don't happen

There is a world of difference between living in leafy Dulwich or Oxford for example and living in a sink estate in a rough part of town. You know that of course. You will also know that immigration hotels do not tend to be plonked on Kensington High Street.
Wage stagnation has hit all brackets, but the higher your income, the less catastropic that will be. Clearly.

that they have lived through hardship and think it's bloody unfair that they are now contributing to enable more and more people to stay at home with a better standard of living than they have and do it tax free as well.

My unique set of circumstances meant at that awful time, i was not entitled to claim tax credits. I do not want to go into the details and you can choose to disbelieve me if it suits your narrative.
The same happened earlier this year, when despite paying tax and NI for 40 years, my dh could not claim Jobseekers at the age of 62. I have since been told that this info given by Jobcentre staff, was wrong but at that point it was to late to back claim.
So forgive me if i am not altogether delighted that 40 years of contributions x 2 go to some that choose not to work or only work 16 hours when the twice we have REALLY needed help fell on deaf ears.

And yet you couldn’t claim UC but there are millions living better on benefits?

You're just being silly now and i don't know what point you are making. That no one gets UC because i didn't??