Wendy Duffy heart breaking but understandable

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What a brave lady i hope she's holding her son right now.

Absolutely correct.

Nope no clearing up achieved. You were conflating those things in a feeble attempt to try and make a point. It's there in black and white. Oops!

No one is forcing anyone to do anything.

But I do not think that a society that has normalised suicide for depression, praises it as brave, and then kills the suicidal people so they don't have to do it themselves, is a healthy, sane society.

Argue over semantics if you like.

You dont want to do it? Fine. But to stop others having the ultimate say over their own lives and forcing them to carry on - now that’s dystopian.

How can anyone be sure there's been no "coercion"? By asking the suicidal person?

'Happy and safe'?
'Holding her son'?
She's dead. She doesn't exist any more.
She's in the same 'place' as her son because they're both dead. She can no longer feel grief or the torture of being alive without her son because only living people can experience those things.
This was clearly the right choice for her.

Fwiw I support assisted dying. I'm a wee bit surprised that she met the 'criteria' though.
Am I right in thinking the proposed UK bill would have been much more stringent than Switzerland's is currently?
I'm glad there would hopefully never be legislation that would allow suicidal people to end their lives at one of these clinics in the UK.
I only imagine the cost of doing this in Switzerland is a big part of the reason more people don't do it.

Well, frankly, I do think that saying suicide is brave and wonderful is almost as insane as saying rape is good! I remember the days when it was considered a terribly sad, negative thing, to commit suicide, and now everyone's celebrating a woman having had herself killed, and saying it's the right choice?

What sort of insanity is that?

I don't know finding the money, contacting the company, booking flights, actually pressing the button are also pretty big roadblocks. It would take a fair bit of planning unlike when people end their life impulsively. You don't think its traumatic for the police to find you also?

No one is stopping anyone from killing themselves. Good lord. It's like you think no one is capable of suicide if they can't pay a company to do it for them 🙄

Well if you take away the option then you are forcing people to continue living or do it themselves - if they fail then the potential resulting disabilities will make things worse. If they succeed, some poor innocent person has to find them.

How would you suggest dealing with someone who feels they can’t carry on?

Re: your hope that the UK, if it introduces assisted suicide, will never allow it for mental illness, etc. As soon as the bill is passed, the lobbying will begin - I can guarantee it. The views of quite a few people on this thread alone prove it.

They can give "assurances" about "safeguards" all they like - but the pattern in Canada shows us what will happen.

Because it's painful and difficult just to be alive.

It doesn't matter that you'll be dead, you won't know.

It matters only to those left behind.

Being Raped isn't a choice suicide is thats why they're different

They're not the same sort of roadblocks. And most people don't end their lives impulsively, afaik.

I'm not sure why it's traumatic for the police to find a dead person, having been pre-warned, but not traumatic for people to kill someone by providing them with medication, and then dealing with their dead body.

Of course they can. But see my post above - it’s not like flicking a switch. Personally I would opt not to risk permanent disability, or put someone through discovering my body.

Have you ever spoke to a policeman about this i promise you its traumatic.

Well, I guess you don't want it that badly?

But they are medical professionals. Same as when doctors perform abortions - do you think they get traumatised?

So why is it not traumatic for the people at the assisted suicide clinic?

It's scary and dangerous and messy and painful to do it yourself though. And traumatic for those who find you dead. And it might not even work, potentially leaving you maimed or damaged or disabled for life somehow, unable to try again without help because you no longer have the independence you once had. A medically managed death has to be cleaner, easier, more peaceful and much more humane.

And police officers are professionals trained to deal with dead bodies. Your point?

So it’s okay to kill yourself as long as you don’t go to a medical facility to do so?

Because they have chose to work their and medical professionals are use to dealing with dead bodies. And someone dying from assisted suicide die a lot more pleasantly then the police scraping up body parts from a train track

She can take her own life, but I disagree with the assisted part. Why does she need help? Can she not take her own life in UK.

They are medically trained. They opt to work there. Why would it be traumatic for a medical professional?