School car crash - are the police being thrown under the bus?

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15732723/Police-biased-female-killed-girls-crash-Wimbledon.html

I remember starting a thread on this some time ago and I think the general conclusion was that epilepsy (undiagnised) would in all likelihood be the reason for this tragedy given the cirumstances. there was a long discussion about the nature of this consition.

There was also the feeling that the parents should grieve and let go after this tragedy yet it appears the thing has escalated to involve racism and questioning of the investigation resulting to my mind the police being pressured to make another arrest simply because the senior met didn't like the optics of this rather than material change in circusrance.

Are those investigating officers being thrown.under the bus because the met politically would like to see something done here with a rich white woman being talked when there seems to be no evidence at all she didn't have a seizure? If it realistically can't be proven a seizure didn't occur aren't we headed for a painful trial for the parents where they gain will feel justice won't be done???

Strong? Really? What she did is absolutely horrific. She is still driving about. Almost like she knows she won’t have another “seizure” or else just doesn’t care… 🤔

Why does anyone need a big Defender to drive around central London, all those fumes and extra weight on roads. I think she was a selfish lady for driving a beast of a car, and should have been locked up for her decision to purchase a Defender for an urban environment. A small.car and they might have survived.

I mean I hate those cars too but it’s not a crime to buy one 🤷‍♀️

Do you actually know she's still driving? Or driving again? She'd surrendered her license, according to The Times and Telegraph articles.

Again the CPS have brought no charges and they probably have good reason for that....There is a very limited chance of conviction and to my mind this won't change. There is nothing to suggest an epileptic episode did not occur.

It seems to me the parents of the injured and deceased are maybe understandably set that there is some punishment here but that does not make it justice. Meetings with Sadiq Khan and constant lobbying by those impacted may have led to political decisions about 'something must be done' and given the racial optics of the event having officers investigated for racism (despite a large scale initial investigation ) seems to be a solution.

There is a new investigation currently ongoing, it is going to be very interesting to hear what is discovered.

Claire Freemantle is a disgusting excuse of a person.

You are way too invested OP, I wonder why?

So do I

A limited chance of conviction doesn't mean someone hasn't committed a crime though, does it.

Compare to this case

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c895n391vkdo

Woman found guilty by a jury of death by careless driving, she also says no recollection of events but interestingly has since been diagnosed with epilepsy by neurologists.

This thread reminds me of the Alice Evans saga. She appeared to start threads / post on existing threads about her ex husband in an attempt to paint herself as the wronged party! She tried to control and even change the narrative. Sigh.

It was kinda obvious that it was her, many of her posts read as if butter wouldn't melt.

So Claire, if it is you (or a family member) who started this thread, please stop.

Whoever OP is, their choice of such an utterly distasteful headline for their thread says a lot about them.

Do all the haters on here think that the driver killed the girls deliberately? It has been reported that she didn’t brake and she didn’t swerve - the most distracted driver would have made some attempt to control the car.

The burden of proof rests with the prosecution. The CPS can’t charge her with an offence unless they there is sufficient evidence against the driver to secure a conviction. The death of two children is a terrible tragedy and a wealthy white woman makes a useful hate figure, but despite everybody apparently wanting it there doesn’t seem to be any real evidence that this incident wasn’t caused by an unforeseen fit. There but for the grace of god go any of us who drive.

Haters? How old are you? Your username is “interesting”

I agree with this but there seems to be a political demand for some sort of action and the mass suspension of experienced officers many of whom would have traumatised by the events themselves seems like there is what is becoming a witch hunt where 'justice ' must be done' no matter the reality.

I don't think interviewing additional witnesses would have helped and many were interviewed on the scene and accusations of racism seem not to hold weight but a means to further pressure the met and their political masters to get a 'result'.

Don't forget their are lawyers in the background who obviously see business here .

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/wimbledon-school-crash-girls-killed-iopc-investigation-police-officers-b1279244.html

It does seem that at least one of the officers under investigation was a high flyer and had subsequent promotion in the force. Officers were giving first aid on the scene and it must have been a heroic task to coordinate this. Now suddenly the officers are somehow all corrupt or incompetnent?

OP, you are shameful. What a revolting title and a twisted sense of decency.
The whole case stinks. I am very curious about where she was coming from. Anyone who knows the area will know there is little up there in the direction from which she was travelling. Was she drunk? Or otherwise impaired? We will likely never know such was the shoddy ‘investigation’. Imagine bystanders not being interviewed. Deep pockets here.

The crash may well have been unintentional; but that doesn’t mean she shouldn’t face the consequences of causing the death of two children. Even unintentional accidents have consequences, and at the very least that should include losing your driving license. If it were your children, wouldn’t you want that?

If we say someone should lose their licence for unintentional accidents automatically, it's the start of a very slippery slope. What if, for example, someone has a similar accident due to a fault in the car that the driver couldn't possibly have known about?

The decision about the driving license doesn’t rest on what the parents would want, and rightly so

We consider driving to be a task that carries a great responsibility - that's why it requires a license, and being a pedestrian doesn't. That responsibility includes ensuring your car is roadworthy (hence the MOT), you're fit to drive it, and you do so in a way that's not impaired by alcohol, phone or drug use. So yes, I do expect drivers to treat it like the serious activity it is, and no, I don't think losing your license is too high a price, particularly not if you live in a city with public transport. It's certainly a more proportionate response than a custodial sentence.

Apologies, I should have stated that more clearly - if I were the parents, I would want the behaviour to have consequences - I'm not saying that they should directly influence sentencing (although victim impact statements do have a role here), but that as a bereaved party I would want the crash to be thoroughly investigated and the driver held to account for their behaviour. Their argument is that hasn't happened in this case, hence the calls for the case to be reopened.

My sister suffers from IIH, a condition which mimics a brain tumour due to high IOP. The symptoms and necessary meds affect her cognitive function to the point that she chooses not to drive, despite never having had a seizure. It took years and a lot of effort to obtain the diagnosis, during which time her eyesight, headaches and reactions steadily worsened.

My feeling about CF is that she might have previously had minor 'medical episodes' and/or symptoms, but nevertheless chose to continue driving, arming herself with a Defender in case of a crash with her own children in the car.

I'm certainly not saying that everyone with neurological symptoms such as migraines should give up driving, but I believe that, in this case, she made a selfish decision to continue driving when she should not have done so, particularly in a vehicle of that size and strength.

I'd heard she'd driven out of the nearby golf club having parked there and walked her dog/s. No idea if that's actually the case.

Such irrelevant comments.