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TestTickle · 16/04/2026 07:47

If that article is true then purchasing a giant tank of a car was grotesquely stupid

Nyata · 16/04/2026 08:13

The perpetrator is well connected and wealthy.

damemaggiescurledupperlip · 16/04/2026 08:16

Re her being rearrested lately: don’t the police commonly arrest people in order to question them?

MaturingCheeseball · 16/04/2026 08:39

It’s irrelevant whether the woman was wealthy or impoverished. It’s the “excuse” of the epilepsy. The bottom line is that it is impossible to prove either way and that is why the police are unable to really close the case satisfactorily with a definitive answer.

The parents of the girls feel fobbed off and desperate for concrete answers but there are none.

Although our spider senses - and probably those of the police - may be tingling, if the driver said she had a one-off episode with no other evidence pointing to other reasons for the crash, then it’s nigh-on impossible to disprove.

fromthegecko · 16/04/2026 09:29

RTA investigations involve a specific team and standardised procedures: it's hard to believe they weren't followed when two children died, meaning there would be intense public scrutiny.

The driver doesn't need to prove anything, but also would be unwise to speak publicly about what happened, in case of prejudicing any court case.

The job of the prosecution would be to prove beyond reasonable doubt that the driver was asleep/drunk/drugged/using her phone/speeding/driving in contravention of medical advice/acting maliciously/carrying out a manoeuvre unforgiveably badly. They don't have to prove that she doesn't have epilepsy.

People do have one-off fits, or faints, but the physical evidence can differ depending on whether the driver is conscious.

If there's a trial, and she's found not guilty, the surviving victims could still sue for damages, because the standard of proof is much lower.

The only new information is that the police are accused of providing false or misleading information to the surviving victims. This is intriguing.

Hoppinggreen · 16/04/2026 10:15

Allisnotlost1 · 15/04/2026 18:31

I imagine it’s an absolute nightmare! 🤣 But I would guess it also comes with a level of influence and popularity - you may not feel it or want to admit it, but I’m sure plenty of sharp elbowed mummies would like to have a go at it, especially in a lovely private girls prep.

You clearly have no clue about Private schools nor PTA's

FernandoSor · 16/04/2026 10:17

Allisnotlost1 · 15/04/2026 11:31

🤣

The whole point is that she didn’t have a prior diagnosis!

ETA while it’s obviously possible she could have had prior seizures and kept it quiet, how realistic is that really? If you had a seizure, would you really never seek medical advice? I find that preposterous.

Edited

The bought and paid for diagnosis I was referring to was after the accident.

FernandoSor · 16/04/2026 10:20

Allisnotlost1 · 15/04/2026 20:23

The above is a work of fiction that is either drawn from a watching too much telly, or you have an awful lot of professional conduct issues to report.

I don’t work in criminal law now but when I did we laughed at the occasional rich twat who thought they could offer money to get out of trouble, or that we could magic up a defence for them. Do you really think most of us would risk our careers and reputations, let alone our own ethics, by fabricating a defence for someone who killed two children? If you’re in the law and you do this, or witness this and do nothing, you disgust me. If you’re just getting this from the tv, sit this one out.

You just have to look at the BBC reports coming out right now about solicitors advising clients to fake being gay to claim asylum to realise that there are plenty of bent lawyers out there.

HRTQueen · 16/04/2026 11:46

I think this just highlights when you can afford a good legal team how you can play the system

As for the police, would the driver have been treated differently if she was not white well from history we know this does happen so absolutely can not be ruled out

KnittedEspalier · 16/04/2026 13:13

Allisnotlost1 · 15/04/2026 20:23

The above is a work of fiction that is either drawn from a watching too much telly, or you have an awful lot of professional conduct issues to report.

I don’t work in criminal law now but when I did we laughed at the occasional rich twat who thought they could offer money to get out of trouble, or that we could magic up a defence for them. Do you really think most of us would risk our careers and reputations, let alone our own ethics, by fabricating a defence for someone who killed two children? If you’re in the law and you do this, or witness this and do nothing, you disgust me. If you’re just getting this from the tv, sit this one out.

Yes. Ive had contact with lawyers and barristers. they will smooth things over a bit so your narrative comes across better, but they aren’t going to make up a defence for you.

It’s very unlikely to hold out any scrutiny. If the client says ‘my lawyer told me to say this’ they’re risking their job.

Why would any lawyer be so personally invested? If they have to outright lie for you, then you deffo did that shit. Why would they want to protect you (If in this case the client killed two chidlren)?

MaturingCheeseball · 16/04/2026 17:19

I don’t know in this case but there are “activist chambers” who represent certain people and concoct dubious defences as a matter of political principle.

powersthatbe · 16/04/2026 20:04

There are lawyers who exploit loopholes to get the rich and famous off speeding offences, lawyers who specialise in defending high net worths accused of sexual offences…they win cases not because they lack scruples and tell their clients to lie but because they know the law and are extremely good at the law and navigating an antiquated and brken justice system. They have reputations for helping get people out of trouble and charge handsomely for this so typically affordable only to the super rich. Its these type of lawyers that a wealthy person might be referred to by a crisis pr team offering them some assistance amidst a high profile and very tragic incident.

pancakestastelikecrepe · 16/04/2026 23:38

powersthatbe · 16/04/2026 20:04

There are lawyers who exploit loopholes to get the rich and famous off speeding offences, lawyers who specialise in defending high net worths accused of sexual offences…they win cases not because they lack scruples and tell their clients to lie but because they know the law and are extremely good at the law and navigating an antiquated and brken justice system. They have reputations for helping get people out of trouble and charge handsomely for this so typically affordable only to the super rich. Its these type of lawyers that a wealthy person might be referred to by a crisis pr team offering them some assistance amidst a high profile and very tragic incident.

Yes. When a person is prosecuted.
the CPs hasn't brought a prosecution, based on the evidence provided by the police investigation.
How hard is this to understand?

pancakestastelikecrepe · 17/04/2026 00:02

MaturingCheeseball · 16/04/2026 17:19

I don’t know in this case but there are “activist chambers” who represent certain people and concoct dubious defences as a matter of political principle.

When a person has been charged and brought to court FFS! 🤷🏼‍♀️

IdentityCris · 17/04/2026 08:49

FernandoSor · 16/04/2026 10:20

You just have to look at the BBC reports coming out right now about solicitors advising clients to fake being gay to claim asylum to realise that there are plenty of bent lawyers out there.

The people in the BBC reports aren't actually solicitors, though.

IdentityCris · 17/04/2026 08:54

BeenTooFarAgain · 15/04/2026 22:41

A barrister, plummy or otherwise, is not going to be down the police station advising a client that early on in an investigation. That’s the role of a solicitor. You have no idea what you are talking about…

Nor indeed do barristers work in "law firms".

FernandoSor · 17/04/2026 10:15

IdentityCris · 17/04/2026 08:49

The people in the BBC reports aren't actually solicitors, though.

They are advisers who are operating from the same premises as law firms specialising in immigration. So while they are not solicitors themselves, they are employed by, and operating with the full knowledge and blessing of the partners in a firm.

Bent solicitors are a fact of life - the SRA strikes off dozens each year and that's just the tip of the iceberg.

Itsmetheflamingo · 17/04/2026 12:48

I caught up with the Reddit threads on this last night and it’s absolutely full of people who think if a law firm is expensive you can instruct them to say whatever it takes to get you off.

I think a few of them have brought the sentiment here as it’s all the same stuff ie talking about the law firm advertising as being for high net worth individuals as if a) most premium London firms don’t say the same and b) that’s code for “we’ll get you off”

TestTickle · 17/04/2026 13:05

IdentityCris · 17/04/2026 08:54

Nor indeed do barristers work in "law firms".

Some do to be fair. Appreciate it's not the norm but it's also not unusual to encounter barristers working in - house or in law firms

Trampoline · 18/04/2026 20:28

I don't know anything about the legal.process but Claire Freemantle's lawyer uses this quote (apparently now removed from his webpage but still on his LinkedIn):

“Mark Jones is utterly exceptional – the man to see if you’re in trouble – and has an incredible gift for making things go away.’”

FavouriteBiggle · 18/04/2026 21:48

Has anyone read todays DM article about the case? It's behind a paywall.

CousinBette · 18/04/2026 23:34

FavouriteBiggle · 18/04/2026 21:48

Has anyone read todays DM article about the case? It's behind a paywall.

Is it facts or opinion?

TheAutumnCrow · 19/04/2026 00:33

There’s an interesting and prominent article in today’s The Sunday Times.

Here’s the link. Extract below.

www.thetimes.com/uk/crime/article/wimbledon-school-crash-detective-news-k0hng2ztv

Here’s an archive link for those who can’t read behind the paywall.

https://archive.ph/SYeax

A senior officer at Scotland Yard who gave a televised address fighting back tears after a crash at a school in which two eight-year-old girls were killed is being investigated over her handling of the tragedy.

Clair Kelland is one of 11 Metropolitan Police officers under scrutiny by the Independent Office for Police Conduct (IOPC) following a complaint by the parents of Nuria Sajjad and Selena Lau, including a claim of racial bias …

The IOPC said it had notified four serving officers — a commander, a detective chief inspector, a detective sergeant and a detective constable — and a former detective inspector that they were being investigated for suspected gross misconduct. Two serving detective constables are being examined for potential misconduct offences.

The watchdog did not identify any of the individuals. However, The Sunday Times has established that Kelland is the most senior officer under investigation.

Clair Kelland is the Commander. She is being investigated for suspected gross misconduct.

FavouriteBiggle · 19/04/2026 07:52

CousinBette · 18/04/2026 23:34

Is it facts or opinion?

I don't know. I haven't read it, it's behind a paywall.

Like I said.

Itsmetheflamingo · 19/04/2026 08:48

Wow would you look at that, 2 articles deep pockets overlord of the world Claire Fremantle hasn’t managed to get scrubbed from the internet. But she controls the world I hear you cry!