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He Has No Deal, He Has No Dice - Trump Thread #162

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Spandauer · 12/04/2026 17:39

Old enough to remember whole years in which I barely thought about the American president.

Previous thread:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/chat/5513875-depraved-desperate-deluded-and-dangerous-trump-thread-160

eta: in my haste I think I've numbered the thread incorrectly! Oh well.

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LizzieW1969 · 16/04/2026 13:25

Jaichangecentfoisdenom · 16/04/2026 13:03

Privat Ye on form.

I absolutely love this, I've seen it doing the rounds on Facebook, too. Very apt.

MsJinks · 16/04/2026 13:28

Just heard a snippet of Kegsbreath’s briefing on the Iran war. He addresses it as if speaking directly to Iran leaders with a lot of stuff about the US having a powerful military etc - let’s do this the nice way - so I guess it’s a bit of propaganda for the US citizens about US dominance and no need to fuss they’ll win (or have won?) the war very easily.

With no trace of irony he also said it was of Iran terrible to threaten ships.

MsJinks · 16/04/2026 13:29

Ps - clip as Sheila Fogerty was on and she didn’t wish to subject folk to half an hour of him ha!

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dapsnotplimsolls · 16/04/2026 13:36

Jaichangecentfoisdenom · 16/04/2026 13:03

Privat Ye on form.

'Potus Pilate' 😂

RedTagAlan · 16/04/2026 13:47

notimagain · 16/04/2026 12:42

You'd expect a Shaheed to cost not a lot because it's almost a home build model aircraft designed to fly a one way mission.

The high level Recce "drones" are in complexity similar to a small airliner, often packed with fancy intelliegence gathering equipment and supposedly designed to fly multiple missions.

That said it's not unusual for the odd loss, and as for the squawking - they're often sharing airspace with civilian traffic (even now, even in that part of the world) and TBH it looks like at times the US has chosen to make at least.some of their over watchvisible to all and sundry.

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Yup I know this stuff. But $240 million each ?

For example, looking it up it uses a RR AE3007 turbofan engine. That's for regional /large business jets. For sure, lots of development for this application, but it is off the shelf. And yes, its complex and big. An Airbus A220 comes in at $91.5 million. And as mentioned above, an F35 is $100 mil.

So combine an A220 and an F35, ands its still $48.5 mill more. An MQ-9 reaper comes in at $32 mil. So a Triton costs more than an A220+an F35+ a Reaper combined.

In fact... wait a moment. I just saw the cost of the UKs new Protector MQ-9B. Jesus Wept !!!!

Who is working on this stuff? Fergusson shipbuilders ?

UK's first Protector drone arrives amid programme delays and cost overruns - Airforce Technology (airforce-technology.com)

UK's first Protector drone arrives amid programme delays and cost overruns - Airforce Technology

The arrival is a significant milestone for the programme, which has overrun its initial 2016 cost and service entry forecasts.

https://www.airforce-technology.com/news/uks-first-protector-drone-arrives-amid-programme-delays-and-cost-overruns/

RedTagAlan · 16/04/2026 13:57

Kegsbreath sure does a lot of praying. Caught a bit of his press conference. He prays for this, prays for that. It's a wonder the Pope can get through to upstairs. Kegsbreath is hogging the line.

SerendipityJane · 16/04/2026 14:09

RedTagAlan · 16/04/2026 13:47

Yup I know this stuff. But $240 million each ?

For example, looking it up it uses a RR AE3007 turbofan engine. That's for regional /large business jets. For sure, lots of development for this application, but it is off the shelf. And yes, its complex and big. An Airbus A220 comes in at $91.5 million. And as mentioned above, an F35 is $100 mil.

So combine an A220 and an F35, ands its still $48.5 mill more. An MQ-9 reaper comes in at $32 mil. So a Triton costs more than an A220+an F35+ a Reaper combined.

In fact... wait a moment. I just saw the cost of the UKs new Protector MQ-9B. Jesus Wept !!!!

Who is working on this stuff? Fergusson shipbuilders ?

UK's first Protector drone arrives amid programme delays and cost overruns - Airforce Technology (airforce-technology.com)

120,000 drones for Ukraine

https://www.theregister.com/2026/04/16/uk_ukraine_drone_package/

Britain sends 'biggest ever drone package' to Ukraine

: Giant UAV package will include strike, recon, logistics, and maritime systems

https://www.theregister.com/2026/04/16/uk_ukraine_drone_package

Evenstar · 16/04/2026 14:19

Really 🙄

He Has No Deal, He Has No Dice - Trump Thread #162
dapsnotplimsolls · 16/04/2026 14:26

Evenstar · 16/04/2026 14:19

Really 🙄

Yes, he is that stupid. There are some great comparison clips on X.

notimagain · 16/04/2026 14:26

RedTagAlan · 16/04/2026 13:47

Yup I know this stuff. But $240 million each ?

For example, looking it up it uses a RR AE3007 turbofan engine. That's for regional /large business jets. For sure, lots of development for this application, but it is off the shelf. And yes, its complex and big. An Airbus A220 comes in at $91.5 million. And as mentioned above, an F35 is $100 mil.

So combine an A220 and an F35, ands its still $48.5 mill more. An MQ-9 reaper comes in at $32 mil. So a Triton costs more than an A220+an F35+ a Reaper combined.

In fact... wait a moment. I just saw the cost of the UKs new Protector MQ-9B. Jesus Wept !!!!

Who is working on this stuff? Fergusson shipbuilders ?

UK's first Protector drone arrives amid programme delays and cost overruns - Airforce Technology (airforce-technology.com)

As you say something common or garden like a civvie 737 can run close to $100 million..but that design has had 50 ish years to amortise R&D and that's for a mass produced bit of kit with no special added extras. I was regularly signing for a $150 million plus long haul airliner everyday when I was working....and that was a bog standard factory product with a long production run.

If you start going for a bespoke design, limited production run (so harder to amortise R&D) costs really rattle up.

Start adding in possible exotic materials, certainly some very exotic electronics for comms, surveillance etc etc and your unit costs, especially for a limited number of airframes, can become horrific.

Not saying the builders don't make a lot but it's an expensive business...especially if you can't sell a lot.

Llttledrummergirl · 16/04/2026 14:30

RedTagAlan · 16/04/2026 13:57

Kegsbreath sure does a lot of praying. Caught a bit of his press conference. He prays for this, prays for that. It's a wonder the Pope can get through to upstairs. Kegsbreath is hogging the line.

I don't think kegsbreaths line is connected to the same place as the Pope, so no need to worry on that score.

PickAChew · 16/04/2026 14:44

Am I the only one who feels a bit uneasy that it has gone so quiet?

SerendipityJane · 16/04/2026 15:10

Just leave this underreported gem here:

Federal law requires congressional approval to continue military actions for more than 60 days. The US-Israel strikes began on 28 February.

All Iran needs to do is wait until April 29, and let the GOP do their work ....

RedTagAlan · 16/04/2026 15:24

notimagain · 16/04/2026 14:26

As you say something common or garden like a civvie 737 can run close to $100 million..but that design has had 50 ish years to amortise R&D and that's for a mass produced bit of kit with no special added extras. I was regularly signing for a $150 million plus long haul airliner everyday when I was working....and that was a bog standard factory product with a long production run.

If you start going for a bespoke design, limited production run (so harder to amortise R&D) costs really rattle up.

Start adding in possible exotic materials, certainly some very exotic electronics for comms, surveillance etc etc and your unit costs, especially for a limited number of airframes, can become horrific.

Not saying the builders don't make a lot but it's an expensive business...especially if you can't sell a lot.

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I get that. I am a manufacturing/design Engineer, so I know how costs can mount up. 250k for a press, tooling maybe 200k etc. It all adds up. Want to make a new food mixer from scratch, lets say 2 million for the kit to make the parts. That's before labour, test etc.

But this is an aerospace company. They have the kit. They have existing designs. They have all this stuff already.

In fact, I was reading that to restart the F22 Raptor production will cost about half a billion. That to me says two things. Either they have repurposed the equipment, or they have scrapped it.

I get it re commercial airliners. But because they are limited by commercial factors, they tend to be incremental. So you end up with the 437 max. Compromises have to be made to keep costs down.

And don't forget, the unit cost of military does not cover the full cost. Much of the design and development is just paid by Government.

Exotic materials ? Fine. More exotic than on the F35?

The unit cost of these drones just screams at me out of control spend. Honestly. Want to fly an instrument package at 50k feet ? Buy a Gulfstream and bolt it onto that.

:-)

SerendipityJane · 16/04/2026 15:28

RedTagAlan · 16/04/2026 15:24

I get that. I am a manufacturing/design Engineer, so I know how costs can mount up. 250k for a press, tooling maybe 200k etc. It all adds up. Want to make a new food mixer from scratch, lets say 2 million for the kit to make the parts. That's before labour, test etc.

But this is an aerospace company. They have the kit. They have existing designs. They have all this stuff already.

In fact, I was reading that to restart the F22 Raptor production will cost about half a billion. That to me says two things. Either they have repurposed the equipment, or they have scrapped it.

I get it re commercial airliners. But because they are limited by commercial factors, they tend to be incremental. So you end up with the 437 max. Compromises have to be made to keep costs down.

And don't forget, the unit cost of military does not cover the full cost. Much of the design and development is just paid by Government.

Exotic materials ? Fine. More exotic than on the F35?

The unit cost of these drones just screams at me out of control spend. Honestly. Want to fly an instrument package at 50k feet ? Buy a Gulfstream and bolt it onto that.

:-)

Do you think Iran doesn't know that ?

RedTagAlan · 16/04/2026 15:29

PickAChew · 16/04/2026 14:44

Am I the only one who feels a bit uneasy that it has gone so quiet?

I think a combination of war fatigue, lie fatigue, and Trump fatigue? And also not much being reported other than the usual Israel destroying things

Although if anyone thinks I am posting too much and boring ppl, pls say. No offence will be taken.

TemporarilyCantDoMyself · 16/04/2026 15:33

Always appreciate your posts @RedTagAlan . The ones I read anyway, I can't read everything of yours or anyone else's I just don't have the brain for it.
But please don't post less.

SerendipityJane · 16/04/2026 15:45

A lot of these stories seem to "miss" appearing in a casual google search.

https://www.reuters.com/world/china/us-treasurys-bessent-says-china-has-been-unreliable-partner-by-hoarding-oil-2026-04-14/

PickAChew · 16/04/2026 15:50

RedTagAlan · 16/04/2026 15:29

I think a combination of war fatigue, lie fatigue, and Trump fatigue? And also not much being reported other than the usual Israel destroying things

Although if anyone thinks I am posting too much and boring ppl, pls say. No offence will be taken.

Keep posting. I don't take everything in, particularly when I haven't had my coffee, yet, or DS2 has been shouting at me about his favourite cookies and my brain is scrambled bit I do read it with interest and, as with anyone's posts, anywhere, if I'm not in the mood I just quietly fast forward.

Especially with the troop movements, it feels like the US is merely regrouping, rather than monitoring peacefully. The sniping at the Catholic Church is just a distracting sideshow, though clearly yet another one with human cost.

PickAChew · 16/04/2026 15:52

SerendipityJane · 16/04/2026 15:45

Reuters is paywalled, which is probably why it's not appearing.

notimagain · 16/04/2026 15:53

We're going to have to differ but I've flown both mil and civvie and I certainly wouldn't fancy sniffing around the edge of the Iranian coast at the moment in a mofified G whatever, the Argentians tried doing much the same with Learjets in 82 and that ended in tears at least once.

Once you get into limited production runs, for whatever reason, unit cost soars (as an example even the common or garden A380 unit cost was over $400 million at one point).

Stick in bespoke mil features and there's maybe not much you can extract from previous designs and limited units because you can't or won't export the tech and it hurts...

As a result;

F-22..Variously quoted at $300-400.million per unit.

B-21 Raider maybe $700 million per unit.

I

JoshLymanSwagger · 16/04/2026 15:54

PickAChew · 16/04/2026 14:44

Am I the only one who feels a bit uneasy that it has gone so quiet?

If you mean 🍊🌮, he's in Vegas today. 🎰🎲

RedTagAlan · 16/04/2026 15:56

SerendipityJane · 16/04/2026 15:28

Do you think Iran doesn't know that ?

TBH, and please don't take this the wrong way, if I had the choice I would rather work on the Iranian "budget" way of doing things, rather than the US "cost don't matter" projects.

It's more interesting to me for one thing. Let's get the cost from 50k to 49k. Or we can't get this component now, we need to make it. And it's more regular work. Rather than being on a US project that could be cancelled at any time.

Plus the fact my brain aint good enough for all these super alloys.

walllaw · 16/04/2026 15:58

Re quiet, Bluesky has been down all day, so I suspect many of us are missing dipping in and out of the breaking news feed. I refuse to venture back into the x cesspool

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