How does someone like Keir Starmer receive a knighthood?

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I can't help wondering how Keir Starmer ever got to be made a sir? I always thought sirs were people who had done something special?

Disagreeing robustly with someone isn't bullying, BTW.

personal attacks are a sign of somebody not having good enough arguments and are frowned upon in sensible and serious debates.

Where have you been attacked? And if you were, why didn't you report it? You admitted not understanding the honours system, yet slated someone who received one. This was pointed out to you. Not an attack.

What "behaviour"? Please be specific.

look at some of the decisions he has made as PM and note how they went down with the general public. If you follow the news you will know exactly which ones were seen negatively.

They are frowned upon by mnhq too, so do please report them.

it's sometimes good to let them stand as others can see and form their own opinions as to the credibility of the writer.

So what you mean is you and others (including me) don't agree with some of the government's policies. That is not bad behaviour on the part of Starmer.

Eta: you say he doesn't allow any ideas except his own very narrow point of view. Could you expand on that? What do you mean?

Im not a fan of Keir Starmer by any means and until the Iran war, I thought he had done a pretty awful job as Prime Minister. But he was knighted long before becoming PM, in recognition of his work as the DPP. A couple of minutes on google will tell you about his career before entering politics.

That is a very, very good point for this thread.

I'm also questioning the criteria for knighthood used in his career - like did he do as he was told is politically correct and would please his masters

Your sentence is unclear, really sadly appalling structure. But I think what you mean is, what did he accomplish in his career that made him a candidate for knighthood? Now that you've read up on it, why don't you tell us how you feel about the various targets, accomplishments and milestones he did and didn't reach? And, who, please do tell, are 'his masters'? I'm dying to know.

Notice I don't need to slag off my many detractors on here, as they have me. Typical leftie bullying tactics.

Some might consider, that very sentence, an example of slagging off your detractors.

He was brilliant at his job. That may not translate to his performance in his current job, which requires a different skill set, but it doesn't take away from the fact that he was good at what he did previously.

It isn't "lefties bullying tactics" to point out that someone has posted something really stupid.

That's true. He's absolutely the only PM in history to have made decisions that were unpopular with the general public. The only one.

I've seen some poorly constructed arguments in my life, but this one is shaping up to be a corker.

A couple of minutes on google will tell you about his career before entering politics.

to be honest, the whole system of who gets honours and why has irritated me for ages, I wonder if it has more to do with whomever supports the establishment and their aims than anything else. So in this case I wondered about KS but not just about him. It's the whole clucking system-

Notice I don't need to slag off my many detractors on here, as they have me. Typical leftie bullying tactics.
Some might consider, that very sentence, an example of slagging off your detractors.
that is true!

For me,the nearly automatic be-knighting of a hard working capable public servant like the DPP is infinitely preferable to the rewarding of rich men for political donations…..

I'm not political but am confused by your last statement. I the impression it's that right wingers are the bullies, ruthless, every man for himself...and left wingers are most tree hugging, cuddly, let's help the poor...? I really don't get politics.....

I think people on both sides can be bullies, particularly on social media. I left X because it was absolutely toxic in both directions. But what the OP seems to be referencing is a trope often cited by people on the right when they're called out for, or have to accept a consequence for, opinions that others find offensive or unpalatable.

The whole clucking system

Have you looked at the House of Lords?

Lord Lebedev, Baroness Owen

Have you watched his behaviour on PM questions? He gets asked some serious questions which are of utmost importance to the general public in these times of uncertainty, and he answers by talking about something totally different and unrelated to the question. It's frankly bizarre . He is simply incapable of answering a question at all. He veers off by answering a question that he would have preferred to have been asked.

Well, exactly. You can query the honours systdm and that is fine. Personally I think it's a classist relic. However, saying someone shouldn't have received an honour because he has made unpopular decisions in another role is bananas.

And if a politician doesn't make unpopular decisions, they shouldn't be in the job. It isn't a popularity contest. Has KS made some bad calls? Absolutely. He has also made many good ones, and his handling of the war in Iran has been excellent.

Some points of information

Knighted in 2014 - David Cameron was PM
Became an MP in 2015
Leader of Labour Party in 2020

Not sure where Peter Mandelson would fit into that given he wasn't and has never been part of a Tory govt

That's how PMQ works. Every single PM has handled it in the same way. It's a circus, not serious politics. Remember Cameron's 'calm down, dear' sneer? You don't have to like PMQ, but don't pretend KS is the first and only to enact it as it has always been.

He does, I think, answer more questions directly than many other PMs. However-PMQs is largely a circus and has been for a long time-if not for it’s entire history.

You seem to follow the same path of not actually answering any questions put to you!

I'd suggest you pull up a few videos of Boris Johnson and Liz Truss doing PMQs.

Fess up. You're not for real, are you? I'd be almost relieved to find out you were trolling rather than someone who actually believes what they're saying.