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How does someone like Keir Starmer receive a knighthood?

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pusspuss9 · 11/04/2026 10:13

I can't help wondering how Keir Starmer ever got to be made a sir? I always thought sirs were people who had done something special?

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Nicewoman · 11/04/2026 20:40

Notonthestairs · 11/04/2026 20:26

The EU Rwanda memorandum of understanding (so exploratory at the moment) is very different to the one proposed by the Tories - which is why it is more likely to pass legal tests.
Under the EU deal applicants would be processed in Rwanda and if accepted will be given the right to live in the EU. Off shore processing of applications.
The Tory proposal was to send applicants there to live. Not off shore processing.

The rest of the MoU relates to infrastructure development and materials.

It’s odd that you haven’t bothered to read up about given you appear so passionate about it.

the only way to stop the illegals, is to remove the incentives to come here: everywhere in Europe gives illegals nothing. No house, no healthcare, no schools, no benefit money, no pension. In fact, everywhere else in Europe, illegals are homeless & get violence from police so they understand they are not welcome in the country.

everywhere in Europe they process the asylum app quickly, & 95% are refused.

In the Uk, the illegal goes through years of tax payer funded appeals. All the time whilst waiting they receive benefits, free council home, gym, driving lessons, even money to go back home to visit relatives.

Guess what? In the Uk, the asylum application 92% approved.

Why does the rest of the EU reject asylum seekers by 95% and we approve asylum by 92%?

Only in the UK, does the UK put illegals above British people.

pointythings · 11/04/2026 20:41

Nicewoman · 11/04/2026 20:23

That’s right - he did do pro bono work. Like prosecuting British soldiers for orders the soldiers were told to do by British government at the time. Starmer relentlessly hounded and prosecuted the military for decades through the courts, so some soldiers committed suicide such was the intimidation and threats.

Like Starmer refused to prosecute Jimmy Saville and Rolf Harris. Like Starmer signed off papers to allow the Southport murderers to settle in the UK.

Axel Rudakabana was born in the UK, so nothing to sign off there, and his parents are naturalised citizens.

Last I heard, parents were not responsible for the crimes of their children.

You're producing so much froth you could serve my entire town with free cappucinos.

pointythings · 11/04/2026 20:42

Nicewoman · 11/04/2026 20:40

the only way to stop the illegals, is to remove the incentives to come here: everywhere in Europe gives illegals nothing. No house, no healthcare, no schools, no benefit money, no pension. In fact, everywhere else in Europe, illegals are homeless & get violence from police so they understand they are not welcome in the country.

everywhere in Europe they process the asylum app quickly, & 95% are refused.

In the Uk, the illegal goes through years of tax payer funded appeals. All the time whilst waiting they receive benefits, free council home, gym, driving lessons, even money to go back home to visit relatives.

Guess what? In the Uk, the asylum application 92% approved.

Why does the rest of the EU reject asylum seekers by 95% and we approve asylum by 92%?

Only in the UK, does the UK put illegals above British people.

You're going to need to produce some evidence to back up those statements, dearie.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 11/04/2026 20:46

Scotiasdarling · 11/04/2026 20:18

It wasn't actually the Grammar school part I felt was elite, more the fact that it became independent and he stayed there. i.e he went for part of his schooling to an independent school.

You think it would have been better for his parents to disrupt his education by pulling him out halfway through his secondary years and move him to a new school?

His experience is pretty similar to mine. I was at a direct grant school, an independent school taking a large number of children from state primary schools who passed the entrance exam with high marks. Some of us got 100% scholarships and others were there on means-tested fees, usually very low. The direct grant was abolished by the Labour government while I was there and the scholarships and means testing stopped for the year groups entering three or four years behind me. The government continued to fund those us who got in under the direct grant arrangements until we finished sixth form.

Reigate Grammar School was a grammar school in the state system which chose to revert to being independent rather than become a comprehensive, so the year groups a few years below KS were fee-paying pupils. The grammar school entrants were also able to stay on without paying any fees until they completed sixth form.

Nicewoman · 11/04/2026 20:47

pointythings · 11/04/2026 20:42

You're going to need to produce some evidence to back up those statements, dearie.

Google is your friend. Statistics based on government own figures.

Notonthestairs · 11/04/2026 20:48

pointythings · 11/04/2026 20:42

You're going to need to produce some evidence to back up those statements, dearie.

It will come from Facebook.

SheilaFentiman · 11/04/2026 20:57

Pre 1987, grades were set by fixed amounts eg top 10% got an A, next 15% got a B or whatever.

Starmer left school in 1982 - can’t find the numbers for that year but in 1981, 15.7% of all the relevant aged population got one or more A level pass.

so whatever other posters got back in the day, BBC were pretty decent results in 1982 on a population level.

pointythings · 11/04/2026 20:58

Nicewoman · 11/04/2026 20:47

Google is your friend. Statistics based on government own figures.

That isn't how it works. That which is stated without evidence may be dismissed without evidence - and you stated. Hitchens' Razor.

Nicewoman · 11/04/2026 21:11

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SheilaFentiman · 11/04/2026 21:14

Jimmy Saville BS again?

The CPS said: "There is no reference within the report to any involvement from the DPP in the decision-making in the case. The reviewing lawyer at the time set out their own reasons for the decisions they took, which are reproduced in the report."

Reality Check spoke to Nazir Afzal who was Chief Crown Prosecutor in the CPS for North West England from 2011-15.

We asked him whether - as DPP - Keir Starmer would have known about the decision not to prosecute Savile.
He said: "None of that would have been escalated beyond the south-east and Keir wasn't aware of it."
"At that time we were dealing [with] 900,000 prosecutions a year," he added.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/60213975

SheilaFentiman · 11/04/2026 21:14

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What part of her post was a lie?

pointythings · 11/04/2026 21:17

SheilaFentiman · 11/04/2026 21:14

What part of her post was a lie?

None of it. But this poster just isn't very eponymous.

SheilaFentiman · 11/04/2026 21:19

pointythings · 11/04/2026 21:17

None of it. But this poster just isn't very eponymous.

👏

Nicewoman · 11/04/2026 21:25

burblish · 11/04/2026 18:04

Indeed, he was very well known during his career as a barrister for the amount of pro bono work he did, particularly on human rights cases. He won numerous awards and accolades as a result (e.g., being named Human Rights Lawyer of the Year). Regardless of what you think of his politics (or of the man personally), he was an excellent and committed human rights advocate for many years.

Peter Mandelson nominated Kier Starmer. You know, the Prince of Darkness. Has his fingers in many pots of influence.

Petrolitis · 11/04/2026 21:25

pusspuss9 · 11/04/2026 11:00

not really, I just wondered what sort of criteria are in play in general - possibly very questionable ones (I'm speaking generally here). Calls the whole thing into question really....

So you don't know what the criteria are, have decided that because you can't be arsed to find out that it may be questionable enough to call the whole practice into question.

That's quite a reach

SheilaFentiman · 11/04/2026 21:45

Nicewoman · 11/04/2026 21:25

Peter Mandelson nominated Kier Starmer. You know, the Prince of Darkness. Has his fingers in many pots of influence.

Could you cite a source for this? Google isn’t giving one.

also, could you cite a source demonstrating why you thought PP was lying re Axel Rudakabana?

Notonthestairs · 11/04/2026 21:54

MsGreying · 11/04/2026 21:44

Or a special act of parliament about his pension.https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2013/2588/contents/made

Set by the Conservative government at the time.

olivepicanto · 11/04/2026 22:17

pusspuss9 · 11/04/2026 11:24

he's weak, he lies, just for starters...

What has he lied about?

PandoraSocks · 11/04/2026 22:40

Nicewoman · 11/04/2026 20:23

That’s right - he did do pro bono work. Like prosecuting British soldiers for orders the soldiers were told to do by British government at the time. Starmer relentlessly hounded and prosecuted the military for decades through the courts, so some soldiers committed suicide such was the intimidation and threats.

Like Starmer refused to prosecute Jimmy Saville and Rolf Harris. Like Starmer signed off papers to allow the Southport murderers to settle in the UK.

You are just spewing lies.

Also, it is customary for DPP to be awarded a knighthood. Nothing to do with Mandelson. Starmer's knighthood was awarded by Cameron.

Scotiasdarling · 11/04/2026 22:41

The UN are investigating Starmer and Lord Hermer for possibly infringing Chagossian human rights. It's in today's Telegraph.

chalkiegirl · 11/04/2026 22:43

HelloMyNameIsElderSmurf · 11/04/2026 11:01

You don’t get a knighthood for being broad minded and accepting of other people’s point of view, that’s really not how it works.

That said, he was an excellent director of public prosecutions and did a lot to move the dial on VAWG. Good man in the completely wrong job now imo.

Good man doing a good job in the current situation imo. Is this about not having charisma or personality - were we more satisfied with the behaviour of any of the last 5 PM’s who didn’t exactly cover themselves with glory?

SheilaFentiman · 11/04/2026 22:44

The act of Parliament exempted his pension as DPP from the lifetime limit. (The Tories abolished the lifetime limit for everyone in the Sunak/Hunt era)

It followed precedent set for other DPPs and I believe for other high earning public sector folks (Judges? NHS Consultants? - I will google tomorrow)

PandoraSocks · 11/04/2026 22:46

Scotiasdarling · 11/04/2026 22:41

The UN are investigating Starmer and Lord Hermer for possibly infringing Chagossian human rights. It's in today's Telegraph.

This is the situation. Not quite as you put it.

The United Nations is reviewing whether Sir Keir Starmer’s Chagos Islands deal breaches international human rights laws in a move that could jeopardise it.

Officials are assessing allegations that the Prime Minister is committing a “crime against humanity” for attempting to evict native Chagossians from the archipelago as part of his plans to cede the British territory to Mauritius.

eastegg · 11/04/2026 23:08

pusspuss9 · 11/04/2026 11:00

not really, I just wondered what sort of criteria are in play in general - possibly very questionable ones (I'm speaking generally here). Calls the whole thing into question really....

Yes because it’s definitely Keir Starmer’s knighthood which calls it all into question, and not Jimmy Savile or anyone else. Although with Jimmy Savile not being very well known I suppose you might not have thought about him. Oh hang on…