Why do people reject Islam?

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Just curious really. A lovely colleague of mine used to be a Muslim but was quite vocal in telling us she was no longer a Muslim. It was a clear, decisive rejection of the religion and not just a lapse of faith.

Has anyone done similar, I'd love to know your reasons.

There were many Muslim girls at my school, some of whom had massively restricted prospects in life. One girl (who was a bit wild) told us she was worried that she was going to be forced into an arranged marriage. She just didn't come back one day, she was under 16.

Things do seem to have moved on since then though but there still seems to be huge variation.

Its never happened to me and dont really care.

If you said tap the side of the table gently with your fingers, id expect you to gently drum your fingers on the side of it. Not give it massive whacks.

And its not meant to be like a child being punished by the parents. If for example, a husband had said to his wife i really dont want you going into Wellington neighbourhood. Its really rough, drugs, thugs the lot. And she kept going there and not listening to him as in islam a man is meant to protect and provide for his wife. If she consistently kept going there, and he has been kind with his words and gentle in his reminders, and she still keeps going he then takes her hand and softly taps saying please dont go there again its a really rough neighbourhood I dont see the problem. Islam isnt meant to harm and opress women. But to uplift them. You hear many stories of women in the news venturing out on their own at night and scumbag men hurting , harming and raping them. A gentle tap on the hand is nothing in comparison..

Same way she can say to him, id appreciate if you didnt go to Marlsway avenue, theres apparently a very dangerous gang and im.worried about you as I know that can be a shortcut to work.

The quran never says beat the crap out of your woman for not listening. In fact, it says to discuss and be calm and rational.

@Judgejudysno1fan
There may be 2 billion Muslims world wide but the cultural influences on the way they practise Islam is significant. Albania and Pakistan are both mainly Muslim Countries. The way they interpret Islamic teaching is very different. I would guess that you are a South Asian Muslim. Interestingly, the Westminster Uni Research programme focuses on South Adian Muslims as being most resistant to changing cultural practices. So much of what you proclaim is not Islamic ordained but South Asian culture

Wrong. Im a white Irish revert. And proud

And I am trying really hard to be respectful @Judgejudysno1fanbut you are quite wrong to imply Muslims reject all drugs. Own your mistakes

Okay doke egg yolk

If there are some lousy people who take drugs, they dont represent me or my faith. Its like saying the vicar of a church in manchester sniffs cocaine on the weekends. He doesnt represent his congregation or the bible.

Odd question. If anything, I'd say people are far more hesitant about criticising Islam than Christianity.

Makes no difference to me. I regard all religions as man-made nonsense. If we must have religion, then I'd rather Buddhism dominated.

This suggests a really disturbing mental state. If I decide to take a specific route to work and accept the risks, that’s my decision. Why are all your examples to do with ‘risky’ areas? Do you live in some kind of dystopia? There’s a fair bit of dealing around here (close to city centre) , but I don’t let it dictate my behaviour. Nor does it legitimate my husband dictating my behaviour, let alone tapping me on the hand if I continue to do my own risk assessments and act on them.

By definition, most converts to any religion are unhappy and confused and searching for meaning, but I’d expect far more cop on from an Irish person of any religious persuasion.

Well that's an interpretation. I'm sure others have interpreted it meaning something rather more forceful.
Islam is far from the only religion that has been used to justify abuses against women though.

So @Judgejudysno1fan is your community South Asian?

She’s says she’s white and Irish.

Yep, 😃

Well I would hope not. If it says lightly, it means lightly. You cant change it to hard forceful to suit yourself.

Thats fine what you feel and choose. Have a great day

Yes, I live in a dystopia Dublin.

You are still deliberately misunderstanding me @Judgejudysno1fan
When I refer to drug taking, I include all drugs. So although Muslims are denied the use of drugs for recreational purposes, they are allowed to take them for medical reasons. So opiates/morphine is obviously permitted by most Muslim communities for end of life care. This is what I mean by it being a pragmatic and responsive faith. I think you are painting a very harsh picture of modern Islam. I am sorry if I am wrong but your focus appears to be on cultural Islam ( and from your references, to South Asian culture). Many modern Muslims have an approach that focuses on doing the right thing. Hence, most Muslim scientists will accept the use of animals in research but not for simplistic reasons such as developing cosmetics.
You seem to put cultural interpretation such as fashion above core values.

True Islam values education and reason. I believe it is important to be a thoughtful believer in all faith issues. Not just accept something because it is the local cultural practice.

I dont know any muslim scientist that will agree to animals testing. We are taught in islam to be kind to animals. And if for example some one who is called a Muslim does that and harming an animal, then they have gone against islam.....

If you meant medical drugs then fine. But you said drugs and my mind immediately went to harmful drugs not just recreational rubbish but obviously hardcover addicting life changing drugs that wreck lives and bodies.

I dont know what you mean by cultural islam or modern islam
And im not from South Asia. Im European. Irish. Living in Ireland. I dont have many muslims from Pakistan in my community, its more a mix of Syrian, Algerian, Nigerian, Moroccan etc. I really keep myself to myself anyway. And the muslim ladies I do know are similar to me in their way of life etc. There aren't different ways to interpret things.

I see you really care about the environment and so do I. Im really happy you love being out on a bike and are a keen cyclist. I also wish to have less cars on the road, less pollution etc.we all have a duty, not just Muslim but the world in general to do more for the world/nature and environment. I apologise i cant say anything more as to why muslims aren't doing more, as you feel we are not because we wear abaya and we are restricted to cycling but so what, maybe there are lots of muslims who are doing recycling, being more green, being more proactive and less wasteful, etc. But I cant speak for all of them..... Just like I cant speak for the uk or Europe as to why people aren't doing more overall for global warming. It is a major issue I agree but I can't answer anymore. Take care and mind how you go

In this country and Ireland too, animal testing was mandatory on all medical drugs to be given to humans prior to 2022. You will have taken medical drugs that were tested on animals. Most Muslims world wide will have done so. That is what I mean by interpreting teaching. Your view seems simplistic and not realistic.
'Take not a life which Allah has made sacred except for a justifiable reason.'
Trialling new cancer drugs on animals is regarded as justifiable. I don't know where you get the idea that Muslims have never supported the use of animals in developing new drugs. .

Cultural not Doctrinal is dangerous.
Does your Muslim community reject the use all medical drugs? I find that very hard to believe.

This isn’t borne out in various countries.

Thank you for responding. Do think if your belief is affected by culture rather than doctrinal teaching.

I agree @EasternStandard
That is what I mean by cultural Islam (based on practices in one country) reflect core Islamic teachings. Fashion in Islam (abaya, hijab) as dictated by some countries, does not reflect the heart of Islamic beliefs.

I think a religion is an active and living thing. So what we see in its name whether it’s dress or laws is the religion. Or sadly the punishments too.