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Why do people reject Islam?

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SplodgeWaddler · 21/03/2026 09:33

Just curious really. A lovely colleague of mine used to be a Muslim but was quite vocal in telling us she was no longer a Muslim. It was a clear, decisive rejection of the religion and not just a lapse of faith.

Has anyone done similar, I'd love to know your reasons.

There were many Muslim girls at my school, some of whom had massively restricted prospects in life. One girl (who was a bit wild) told us she was worried that she was going to be forced into an arranged marriage. She just didn't come back one day, she was under 16.

Things do seem to have moved on since then though but there still seems to be huge variation.

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RollOnSunshine · 26/03/2026 16:48

You have answered your own question there.

Seedlingsparrow · 26/03/2026 17:07

Is it better include the current research (University of Westminster) into the barriers (cultural, including dress code) that stop Muslim women from doing their bit for the environment.

blog.westminster.ac.uk/ata/wp-content/uploads/sites/60/2021/09/SChaudhry_Cycling-Amongst-Muslim-Women-in-London-1.pdf

Seedlingsparrow · 26/03/2026 17:13

From the introduction to the Westminster University Research project 2023 -

'The threat of global warming is a key driver in need for non-motorised forms of travel such as cycling. Cycling is also a solution to a healthier, mobile population. However, Muslims, particularly females from south Asian communities appear reluctant to take up this healthy form of transport and leisure activity. '

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Seedlingsparrow · 26/03/2026 17:18

Which implies Muslim women put the non mandatory dress code above Sharia law and responsibilities to the Planet. It implies that some Muslim women pick performative Islamic cultural practices over Qur'anic law.
I am really curious as to why?

inamarina · 26/03/2026 18:39

1415isgreat · 26/03/2026 15:50

Because. It. Is. An. Individual. Choice.

They may not have to but historically some women have done - so some ladies CHOOSE to do the same.

Sure, individual choice that for some reason doesn’t seem to appeal to any other women.

EvieBB · 27/03/2026 21:11

Judgejudysno1fan · 26/03/2026 12:02

Hi.

Men are ordered to cover as well. Muslim men shouldn't show their thighs or knees or waist or stomachs. Muslim men are not permitted to wear short shorts or be topless. Men also are not allowed to wear silk or gold jewellery. Men are also commanded to lower their eyes and be respectful and courteous towards women, irrespective if the woman are Muslim or not. Muslim men must also be humble and not walk with pride and ego.

I'm glad to read that - thank you for sharing. At least that makes things more equal between the sexes :)

Winter2020 · 28/03/2026 08:46

Judgejudysno1fan · 26/03/2026 11:20

Afghanistan do not represent islam. At all. I as a Muslim think theyre vile and strange. Not all obviously but its like saying the IDF represents Jews when they dont.

Do you represent modern British Islam @Judgejudysno1fan ? A person who is ok with Sharia law - flogging people for infidelity? Or are you unusual in that sense?

Seedlingsparrow · 28/03/2026 10:07

Sorry @Judgejudysno1fan. You seem to be answering all the questions about Islam because no others are coming forward to explain modern Islamic attitudes.

Seedlingsparrow · 28/03/2026 10:35

I would love an intelligent, reasoned answer to my question about modern UK Islam and the stewardship of the environment. So many posters seem to fixate on many modern Islamic cultural practices such as clothing. It is not mandatory for women and men to cover up. Just to dress modestly. It is mandatory to act as Khalifah to Planet Earth and its survival. Similarly, caring for the body is mandatory. Muslim women in the UK who wear covering clothing such as an abaya, hijab, or niqab are at a significantly higher risk of vitamin D deficiency, which can lead to bone health problems such as osteomalacia (soft bones) and osteoporosis. Studies suggest that women wearing covering garments have a 1.6 to 2.7 times higher prevalence of low vitamin D compared to those wearing western-style clothing. So why do Muslim women choose to wear an abaya even though it is not good for the body?
As I understand Islamic teaching, it is such a practical, common sense religion. For example if in times of starvation, forbidden foods ( such as shellfish or pork) are the only foods available, they become Halal ( allowed).
I would have thought that pragmatic, devout Muslims would put caring for the environment and welfare of the body above cultural fashion. No doubt, many, many do. But many intelligent Muslim women do put fashion ahead of Islamic teaching and they appear to look down on Muslim women who don’t follow the cultural fashion for covering up, not using bikes etc etc.
Why?

Judgejudysno1fan · 28/03/2026 11:08

Seedlingsparrow · 28/03/2026 10:35

I would love an intelligent, reasoned answer to my question about modern UK Islam and the stewardship of the environment. So many posters seem to fixate on many modern Islamic cultural practices such as clothing. It is not mandatory for women and men to cover up. Just to dress modestly. It is mandatory to act as Khalifah to Planet Earth and its survival. Similarly, caring for the body is mandatory. Muslim women in the UK who wear covering clothing such as an abaya, hijab, or niqab are at a significantly higher risk of vitamin D deficiency, which can lead to bone health problems such as osteomalacia (soft bones) and osteoporosis. Studies suggest that women wearing covering garments have a 1.6 to 2.7 times higher prevalence of low vitamin D compared to those wearing western-style clothing. So why do Muslim women choose to wear an abaya even though it is not good for the body?
As I understand Islamic teaching, it is such a practical, common sense religion. For example if in times of starvation, forbidden foods ( such as shellfish or pork) are the only foods available, they become Halal ( allowed).
I would have thought that pragmatic, devout Muslims would put caring for the environment and welfare of the body above cultural fashion. No doubt, many, many do. But many intelligent Muslim women do put fashion ahead of Islamic teaching and they appear to look down on Muslim women who don’t follow the cultural fashion for covering up, not using bikes etc etc.
Why?

Ok, so would you be more happier if I removed my hijab and long cloak to start riding round on a bike?

TrashHeap · 28/03/2026 11:09

All of the Abrahamic religions are patriarchal nonsense as a means of control. There is no god, it is all nonsense.

Judgejudysno1fan · 28/03/2026 11:10

Seedlingsparrow · 28/03/2026 10:07

Sorry @Judgejudysno1fan. You seem to be answering all the questions about Islam because no others are coming forward to explain modern Islamic attitudes.

There is no modern islam. Islam has been the same for centuries.

Im very sorry I cannot answer why Muslim women dont rude around on bikes more. Im not going to stop wearing my Islamic garments to ride a bloody bike. I feel I do enough fir the environment. There are similar muslims who also do a lot fir the environment. Can you please stop going on and on about Muslims and bikes. Its really silly. I am not going to ride a bloody bike and remove my clothing which is important to me. You wouldn't tell a nun start cycling and take off your habit its not good for your body. Alcohol and drugs is not not good for the body focus on that.

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OuterSpaced · 28/03/2026 11:15

Judgejudysno1fan · 28/03/2026 11:08

Ok, so would you be more happier if I removed my hijab and long cloak to start riding round on a bike?

The poster was asking and admitted not knowing why. Maybe you could simply answer her, to lessen her ignorance? No one suggested forcing anyone to ride a bike undressed Confused

Judgejudysno1fan · 28/03/2026 11:23

OuterSpaced · 28/03/2026 11:15

The poster was asking and admitted not knowing why. Maybe you could simply answer her, to lessen her ignorance? No one suggested forcing anyone to ride a bike undressed Confused

I have answered several times, but it doesnt make a difference 😔

EasternStandard · 28/03/2026 11:35

Judgejudysno1fan · 28/03/2026 11:10

There is no modern islam. Islam has been the same for centuries.

Im very sorry I cannot answer why Muslim women dont rude around on bikes more. Im not going to stop wearing my Islamic garments to ride a bloody bike. I feel I do enough fir the environment. There are similar muslims who also do a lot fir the environment. Can you please stop going on and on about Muslims and bikes. Its really silly. I am not going to ride a bloody bike and remove my clothing which is important to me. You wouldn't tell a nun start cycling and take off your habit its not good for your body. Alcohol and drugs is not not good for the body focus on that.

It has been the same for centuries yes, which is reflected in some punishments women and girls endure in various countries.

Seedlingsparrow · 28/03/2026 11:38

@Judgejudysno1fan
You are misunderstanding my question. Thank you for answering by the way. It is not up to me. You don't need to please me. It is a Qur'anic core teaching about Amanah. Yet, some Muslims turn their back on things that will help the environment, cycling being my example ( I am a keen cyclist) in order to focus on cultural fashion.
When I talk to Muslim scholars they are quite clear about the need for Muslims to do more to protect the future of our planet. The Westminster University research project that I quoted is led by a Muslim.
So are you saying that cultural Islam is more important than Islamic doctrine. It sounds as if you might rather fit in with cultural Islam than do your bit for the environment. I have quoted the concept that Halal food items can become Haram in times of hardship. Islam is a practical, pragmatic religion.
But it seems to me that cultural fashion is more important to some UK Muslims than basic doctrine.

Seedlingsparrow · 28/03/2026 11:47

Islam is adaptable. It sees the need for change. It has always allowed for female Imams when men are away fighting, for example. I am convinced that many Muslim leaders in the UK are intelligent about adopting UK cultural practices whilst remaining devout. I am thinking of Sadiq Khan and his wife. She works as a solicitor. She does not cover up. They do not make their daughters cover up. Ditto Baroness Warsi.
They have both done so much to advance a positive view of Islam. They don't focus on non mandatory cultural fashion.

Seedlingsparrow · 28/03/2026 12:21

There is a bit in the Qur'an about beating disobedient wives. There is also much in the Qur'an about protecting the rights of women. I was in a class once and a Muslim boy tried to defend the beating of wives. It was gratifying to see other Muslim students, both male and female put him in his place. They made it clear beating of wives is not acceptable in modern Islam. Can you imagine for a second Sadiq Khan supporting the beating of wives? Of course not. He is an intelligent modern Muslim man and he promotes the positive message about equality of the sexes in Islam.
As you say Alcohol is rightly forbidden in Islam. Medical drugs are NOT forbidden, only recreational drugs. So a Muslim would accept opiates for pain relief but not for getting high. That is what I mean by Islam being pragmatic.

Judgejudysno1fan · 28/03/2026 12:25

Seedlingsparrow · 28/03/2026 12:21

There is a bit in the Qur'an about beating disobedient wives. There is also much in the Qur'an about protecting the rights of women. I was in a class once and a Muslim boy tried to defend the beating of wives. It was gratifying to see other Muslim students, both male and female put him in his place. They made it clear beating of wives is not acceptable in modern Islam. Can you imagine for a second Sadiq Khan supporting the beating of wives? Of course not. He is an intelligent modern Muslim man and he promotes the positive message about equality of the sexes in Islam.
As you say Alcohol is rightly forbidden in Islam. Medical drugs are NOT forbidden, only recreational drugs. So a Muslim would accept opiates for pain relief but not for getting high. That is what I mean by Islam being pragmatic.

Pahahahaahahahhaaa where in the quran does it say beat disobedience wives!!!!!

The quran says the best of you are best to your wives. How do they go together?

DespairMode · 28/03/2026 12:28

Surah 4:34
Though I'm sure it is interpreted in different ways

Judgejudysno1fan · 28/03/2026 12:28

Seedlingsparrow · 28/03/2026 11:38

@Judgejudysno1fan
You are misunderstanding my question. Thank you for answering by the way. It is not up to me. You don't need to please me. It is a Qur'anic core teaching about Amanah. Yet, some Muslims turn their back on things that will help the environment, cycling being my example ( I am a keen cyclist) in order to focus on cultural fashion.
When I talk to Muslim scholars they are quite clear about the need for Muslims to do more to protect the future of our planet. The Westminster University research project that I quoted is led by a Muslim.
So are you saying that cultural Islam is more important than Islamic doctrine. It sounds as if you might rather fit in with cultural Islam than do your bit for the environment. I have quoted the concept that Halal food items can become Haram in times of hardship. Islam is a practical, pragmatic religion.
But it seems to me that cultural fashion is more important to some UK Muslims than basic doctrine.

Ok, where are you from? Are you British, please can you answer why British people are not doing more for the environment, can you tell me why all British people are not also all cycling on bikes. You cannot speak for the entire United Kingdom. I cannot speak for the entire UK. I cannot speak for the muslims of the world. Im just one of over 2 billion.

Im.not putting my clothing higher than the environment. My clothes are important to me. My hijab is more important than cycling. Move on.

Judgejudysno1fan · 28/03/2026 12:32

DespairMode · 28/03/2026 12:28

Surah 4:34
Though I'm sure it is interpreted in different ways

Discipline lightly. Means a gentle tap on the hand. As light as a feather. It doesnt mean to beat the crap out of her. That goes against Islam..

ThreadneedleRoad · 28/03/2026 12:41

Judgejudysno1fan · 28/03/2026 12:32

Discipline lightly. Means a gentle tap on the hand. As light as a feather. It doesnt mean to beat the crap out of her. That goes against Islam..

And you think that’s ok?

Does the Quran stipulate that women can likewise give their husbands gentle taps on the hand when they misbehave, as though they were errant toddlers running into the road?

LeticiaMorales · 28/03/2026 12:44

Judgejudysno1fan · 28/03/2026 11:10

There is no modern islam. Islam has been the same for centuries.

Im very sorry I cannot answer why Muslim women dont rude around on bikes more. Im not going to stop wearing my Islamic garments to ride a bloody bike. I feel I do enough fir the environment. There are similar muslims who also do a lot fir the environment. Can you please stop going on and on about Muslims and bikes. Its really silly. I am not going to ride a bloody bike and remove my clothing which is important to me. You wouldn't tell a nun start cycling and take off your habit its not good for your body. Alcohol and drugs is not not good for the body focus on that.

I've seen nuns cycling. They rarely wear restrictive garb nowadays, especially since Vatican II.