Ian Huntley has died

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That's according to BBC news. Can't say I'm sorry.

Another great post. Especially

Our society isn’t safe, particularly for women and children… women and children being abused and the system being so that women are disbelieved

Yet all the posters incensed at the injustice of what happened to this person.

The "person who bided their time and went in for justice" is a triple murderer who like Huntley is serving a whole life term because like Huntley his crimes are truly despicable. He killed a man and his mother and then went on to rape and murder a woman who was 5 months pregnant and (shaded of Huntley) "helped" her partner look for her.

The people celebrating this man's death are absolutely disgusting.

This man should have suffered to the fullest extent for what he did. Death is far too easy.

The fact that he didn't survive, and did not have to live with severe injuries for the rest of his life, is a tragedy.

Good, he got what he deserved.

@Sailawayx Good job on the person who bided their time and went in for justice.

Yes, good job on that man who raped a pregnant woman and murdered 3 people. A true hero of society that deserves to be praised.

Would it make any difference? His name is often in the media and will continue to be. Perhaps it’s better that he was suffering long term in prison rather than being put out of his misery .

He also denied raping the pregnant woman he murdered, forcing her family to have to endure him going on trial for it.

And how often does that happen? Again, you'd have to have category evidence / confession etc. Where it is 100% certain like in the Huntley case - I would have had absolutely no probably having the Wells / Chapman families deciding if they wanted Huntley executed or incarcerated for life.

If they wanted him executed, so be it.

Look at some of the men in power, in fact look at Trump, the most powerful man in the world, yet he is an adjudicated rapist and even after this was public knowledge he still managed to be elected president. I think we will never know the extent of his depravity

Can’t believe the hand-wringing over this cunt.
Pick another hill to die on.

What they do to women and children (other men) before they go in concerns me more. Or to guards even who take a risk too.

And if he'd survived and been a vegetable we'd all be paying for his care. I don't like the term vegetable but it'll do for him. A rotting cabbage.

The sort of thing you describe - where the families of victims get to decide whether or not the perpetrator dies - happens in countries like Iran. Want to bet on the safety of many of those convictions, given how corrupt that regime is? Be careful what you wish for.

Honestly, anyone who supports the death penalty isn't thinking things through enough.

@HelloDenise And if he'd survived and been a vegetable we'd all be paying for his care.

Why is that an issue? Mumsnet is wealthy, so none of you would care. I would have been more than happy to pay for his suffering.

I’d love to know more of Maxine Carr’s story. I’m sure she was stupid and besotted with Huntley but is there anything else?

You can't see why saying "I just can't bring myself to be wringing my hands about how awful it is that prisons are not always safe" is a huge mistake? Do I really have to explain why it it's problematic?

I know. Just waiting for the 'Huntley didn't deserve to die he might have had autism or ADHD' brigade to arrive.

He was a serial violent sex offender and paedophile (he finally admitted it in 2012) with a long history of offending. I don't think anyone is going to miss him, least of all, the victims families.

He should have been detained or monitored before he got to kill. It was the 'soft touch' mentality that allowed him to remain free and to kill.

I'm really in a take no shit / zero tolerance mood today.

noooo, all these Mumsnetters having no idea of the sociology of crime!! 😆

Why should they? It’s a bloody chat board, not a criminology seminar. A news story about someone attacking this man is obviously going to make a lot of people feel a bit of grim satisfaction.

For what it’s worth, I’ve actually read Discipline and Punish at uni and found it quite interesting, even quoted it in my essay in freedom of speech.

Foucault had a big (questionable??) impact on the sociology of crime. He faced allegations of sexually abusing young boys and he also signed a petition advocating changes to laws on sex with minors.

Anyways I'd have thought you don’t need a sociology degree to understand why people react emotionally to a story like this.

Do explain

Yes you do.

And don't talk about the prison staff as Huntley was a prisoner.

If they can do it to prisoners they can do it to staff.

Not often I can’t summon a smidge of empathy for the death of a human. But He hadn’t any humanity and all I can think is good riddance.

My thoughts are with Holly and Jessica’s families today.

This monster deserved to suffer every day for the rest of his life.

I don’t feel sad that he has died, but I feel angry that his death has given him a way out.

I imagine that for Huntley, death was preferable to prison and now he’s got the result he wanted. Didn’t he try and commit suicide once?

He’s been released from his personal hell whereas Jessica and Holly’s family’s will never be free of theirs.

It makes me feel so angry.
It feels like an injustice.

Well, there are the 1000's of staff who work there, as HMPPS employees and external teams. The fact that most prisoners are released into society, and will have been shaped by their experiences of imprisonment. The people that are there on remand and not yet convicted. Those that have been released after proven miscarriages of justice. Have a think about that.

The person who is alleged to have attacked Huntley is already a serving a very long if not full life sentence. He has nothing to lose. Short of keeping 'vulnerable ' prisoners in solitary confinement for 24 hours a day, any prison system, however well staffed will have lapses and these incidents will occur. The tax payer is saved the cost of housing Huntley any longer. I can live with that.