Another lenient sentence for a lowlife!!

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https://news.sky.com/story/shoplifter-who-killed-asda-security-guard-at-arbroath-superstore-jailed-for-five-years-13515500

Wow 5 years, 4 months. That will teach people not.

Bet she's never run a shop or a business either. Things aren't free. Disgusting

That's a very misleading headline.

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What a scumbag.

This person brings less than nothing to society.

The headline sufggests she killed the security guard. She didn't murder anyone. The security guard had a heart attack. Very unfortunate but hardly part of the shoplifter's plan.

I don’t know if she necessarily caused the death… yeah she was aggressive and shoplifted but the security guard had a heart condition, exacerbated by stress that caused a heart attack, then he hit his head when he fell!

What’s misleading

low sentence the guy died

The PP is talking about news article headline, not the thread title.

The man died but the shoplifter didn't kill him.

That's a hefty sentence for a shoplifter, so the impact has very much been taken into account.

If she hadn't been stealing , he'd still be alive, not just stealing, screaming and shouting when apprehended in the most foul way

When you enter into that kind of behaviour you have to accept that you might be caught/apprehended and anything else that happens as a result.

Why does she think things are free?

Bet she won't even serve all that sentence.

Sure you'd say that if it was your father.
It's an appalling sentence, and she won't serve it all.
She looks absolutely dreadful in the photo. A daughter to be proud of not.

If you read the article she pled guilty of culpable homicide which in Scotland is defined as

"Killing that is neither accidental nor legally justified, but lacks the necessary malice for murder"

tin which case saying she killed him is justified/ reasonable. She also the assaulted other members of staff as he lay on the floor dying...

Her actions lead to a chain of events that lead to the guys dead

And you'd say it if it was your daughter dmsavavged by addiction, whid done a terrible thing that had far worse consequences than anyone could have predicted?

It's tragic all round, but prison as vengeance doesn't help anyone.

He would still be alive if she hadn't shoplifted. Sometimes things go wrong. Sometimes people die or get injured.
Best not to do it in the first place.

Things aren't free

Her choice to take drugs. Why should
he die because of her selfish choices
Plenty of help around if your stupid enough to get addicted.
Where did she think it was all going to end.
Did she think she was going to shoplift forever and nothing ever happen?

Yes, and that's why she got a significantly longer sentence than you get for shoplifting.

Her choice to take drugs. And that's why we'll never solve the addiction crisis or the crime that's associated with it.

But not long enough
I missed the bit that said she also assaulted another member of staff

Classy not.

Whilst I understand what you’re saying I’m really struggling to understand the level of anger disbelief and outrage - what you’re saying just doesn’t connect as authentic tbh.

of course shoplifters don’t consider their actions might cause a heart attack. You and I both know that’s extremely unlikely.

it’s a high sentence for shoplifting and assult isn’t it? She wasn’t being sentenced for murder or manslaughter and neither should she.

in a capitalist society where some have and some don’t, the don’ts taking outside the system is inevitable, isnt it? I don’t really know why you expect people not to shoplift. It’s always happened and always will

What has anyone's father got to do with it?

Courts don't hand down sentences based on this sort of thought.

The PP is simply stating that it's a hefty sentence for shoplifting, so the guard's death has been taken into account.

The stress may have contributed, but there’s no guarantee he’d still be alive if she hadn’t been shoplifting. The article says “a post-mortem examination found he had a coronary artery condition. Pathologists reported that people with the condition are ‘at risk of sudden death at any time’".

Shoplifting alcohol, swearing at staff when you’re caught, and getting into a physical fight over it obviously isn’t acceptable behaviour. As a PP said, the impact of her actions has been taken into account; it would have a shorter sentence if this man’s death hadn’t been considered. What do you think a longer sentence than this would achieve?

in America if someone dies while you are committing a crime, it’s an automatic murder charge. I don’t always agree with how things are done there, but in this case, I think that approach has merit.

I'm not really sure the main ambition of every drug addict is to be 'classy'.

I expect they have far more important things to worry about.

Only in some states, and only for a dangerous felony. That’s designed for… ie someone having a heart attack whilst you kidnapped them

I actually think sentence is about right. The man died of a heart attack while try to prevent a shoplifter leaving the store. She had no intention to him he died of natural causes. The fact she was committing a crime at the time mean this is an unusually long sentence if this was normal shoplifting. It’s sad for the families but this seems proportionate.