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Winter2020 · 05/03/2026 14:08

Here's a joke of a sentence for you.

11 years for taking a weapon to a station and stabbing two strangers (one of them 13 times).

Wonder how many years he will actually serve. Absolute joke.

https://www.hackneygazette.co.uk/news/25674630.kennington-underground-station-double-stabbing-man-jailed/

I started a mumsnet thread about this man the other week. It linked to a British Transport Police article about him that has now been removed. Probably a coincidence but still a little weird.

Man launched ‘frenzied and unexplained’ double stabbing in Tube station - and laughed

A man launched a “frenzied” and unprovoked knife attack on two older men at a Tube station as they returned home after a dance class.

https://www.hackneygazette.co.uk/news/25674630.kennington-underground-station-double-stabbing-man-jailed/

Keepoffmyartichokes · 05/03/2026 14:13

Netcurtainnelly · 05/03/2026 13:58

You think she should walk free lol.
Vengeance. It's punishment
You can't let a woman go free that does that.
What sort of message would you be sending out?
How would you feel if someone killed your family member while out robbing. Would you say they should go for free?
Doubt it, you'd be asking for the longest sentence possible.

But she didn't kill him, her actions led to circumstances that unfortunately led to his death due to his health.
What if you for example stole a parking space that someone else was waiting for in a busy car park and that led to an argument between you and the other driver and they then had a heart attack as a result. Should you be prosecuted for murder?
Please note I am not condoning this woman or comparing her crimes to stealing a parking space it's just an example.

Gingerkittykat · 05/03/2026 14:15

Notdanishsusan · 05/03/2026 14:00

Her crime was shoplifting and should be sentenced accordingly.

It’s tragic that he died but he was a security guard and therefore highly likely that he’d interact with shoplifters

Her crime was culpable homicide (Scottish version of manslaughter) and not just shoplifting.

ThereAreOnlyShadesOfGrey · 05/03/2026 14:19

Oh come now OP, she’s a woman, and therefore clearly incapable of wrongdoing according to so many on MN.

Must be “mental health” what did it.

I don’t doubt that Myra Huntley and Rose West were also innocent victims of the men they helped and in Rose West’s case, encouraged to commit their heinous crimes.

Netcurtainnelly · 05/03/2026 14:22

Keepoffmyartichokes · 05/03/2026 14:13

But she didn't kill him, her actions led to circumstances that unfortunately led to his death due to his health.
What if you for example stole a parking space that someone else was waiting for in a busy car park and that led to an argument between you and the other driver and they then had a heart attack as a result. Should you be prosecuted for murder?
Please note I am not condoning this woman or comparing her crimes to stealing a parking space it's just an example.

It gets worse.

Benefit claimant Smith, whose one child is in foster care, has accumulated a history of criminal offending for repeated shoplifting, theft, drugs and assault in both Scotland and England.

Enough said

OP posts:
OhDear111 · 05/03/2026 14:29

@NetcurtainnellyThe difference between culpable homicide/manslaughter and murder is that the second one is premeditated or is likely to happen because the perpetrator is carrying a knife, for example. When death occurs, but the convicted person did not set out to cause a death or have a weapon with which to do it, it’s usually the lesser charge. This is why car accidents resulting in death are not murder.

Keepoffmyartichokes · 05/03/2026 14:33

Netcurtainnelly · 05/03/2026 14:22

It gets worse.

Benefit claimant Smith, whose one child is in foster care, has accumulated a history of criminal offending for repeated shoplifting, theft, drugs and assault in both Scotland and England.

Enough said

But none of that changes the fact she didn't kill him in the sense of murder.

Itsmetheflamingo · 05/03/2026 14:36

Netcurtainnelly · 05/03/2026 14:22

It gets worse.

Benefit claimant Smith, whose one child is in foster care, has accumulated a history of criminal offending for repeated shoplifting, theft, drugs and assault in both Scotland and England.

Enough said

Enough said for what?

Do you want to end your thread now?

CleanOurWater · 05/03/2026 14:39

The sentence seems about right to me

Walkden · 05/03/2026 15:17

"What if you for example stole a parking space that someone else was waiting for in a busy car park and that led to an argument between you and the other driver and they then had a heart attack as a result. Should you be prosecuted for murder?"

This is a ridiculous comparison. She wasn't charged with murder but with culpable homicide.

He died as an (unintended) consequence of her committing a crime.

Stealing a parking space is not a crime....

Let's not forget she threatened to " end" a few of his colleagues too!

MrsChristmasHasResigned · 05/03/2026 15:45

Itsmetheflamingo · 05/03/2026 12:51

Only in some states, and only for a dangerous felony. That’s designed for… ie someone having a heart attack whilst you kidnapped them

Yes only on some states but no to only if it’s a dangerous felony. Happened to a friend of mine- her parent died of a heart attack during a botched burglary and it escalated straight to murder charges.

Keepoffmyartichokes · 05/03/2026 16:00

Walkden · 05/03/2026 15:17

"What if you for example stole a parking space that someone else was waiting for in a busy car park and that led to an argument between you and the other driver and they then had a heart attack as a result. Should you be prosecuted for murder?"

This is a ridiculous comparison. She wasn't charged with murder but with culpable homicide.

He died as an (unintended) consequence of her committing a crime.

Stealing a parking space is not a crime....

Let's not forget she threatened to " end" a few of his colleagues too!

I was very clear it was an example not a like for like comparison. I was trying to make the point she didn't set out to kill him.

Seawolves · 05/03/2026 18:12

Netcurtainnelly · 05/03/2026 14:22

It gets worse.

Benefit claimant Smith, whose one child is in foster care, has accumulated a history of criminal offending for repeated shoplifting, theft, drugs and assault in both Scotland and England.

Enough said

And I wonder what her childhood was like, does she come from a looked after child background? We are so good at firefighting the issues that lead to children being removed from home but less good proactively stepping in to prevent it from happening.

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