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Motherhood Has Radicalised Me

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IWantThisJob · 03/03/2026 12:46

The social and cultural conditions of motherhood are actively cruel to women.

In pregnancy and birth we are often not listened to, or patronised, or have our pain minimised by medical professionals. The induction rate is sky high and it’s not uncommon for women to suffer quite extreme birth injuries and be expected to get on with it, to care for a newborn, often with very minimal support, and not make a fuss. We are often discharged, in pain, with very limited pain relief, bleeding, to care for a baby, sometimes having been awake for 3 or 4 days solidly.

Statutory paternity leave is 2 weeks. I read somewhere the other day that the average mum on maternity leave spends 8 hours a day alone with her baby.

We experience broken sleep for years on end, in my case 4 years and counting, and are expected to just carry on, go to work, earn money, listening to and managing screaming and crying and tantrums at all hours of the day and night.

Work and childcare are non functional. Most households need two incomes. Childcare is expensive, even with funding, work is often inflexible. We’re expected to work like we don’t have children and mother like we don’t work. If you work full time you might be made to feel guilt, if you don’t work you’re lazy.

The mental load! The sheer weight of the responsibility of organising everyone and everything, the cooking, the planning, and the amount of information we need to remember on a daily basis, of who needs to be where at what time, who needs to take what to school, who we need to buy a birthday present for, is proper cognitive labour. If you ask your husband to do it, he probably will, but it’s just another fucking thing that you need to do in asking. If he’s anything like mine, he’ll be a good husband and a good dad, but he just will not ‘carry’ it all in the way that you do.

School is term time, 9-3. 6 weeks to navigate over the summer. Arranging work, sorting childcare, trying to do activities with them to keep them and yourself sane (still not sleeping, still often listening to screaming).

Then there’s the cultural and social pressure. Can’t breastfeed? Failed. Had a C section? Failed. Oh they have to share a bedroom? Failed again. Are you feeding them well? Are they on track developmentally? Are they making friends and coping at school?

This model of motherhood may not be what everyone experiences, but if it what you experience, this level of pressure, expectation and sheer workload on mothers is actively cruel. It’s a feminist issue, and I have been radicalised. I feel actual anger at the way mothers are treated at a societal level.

I have two children. I work part time in a career that I love. My husband is also doing his best, just like me. But the pressure and expectation, and sacrifice of self, work, and autonomy is just not the same. I’m not depressed, I love my children desperately and I enjoy my life. This is not really a discussion about my own personal motherhood, but the general pattern within society.

Anyone else?

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Haggisfish3 · 03/03/2026 12:47

Totally agree. My dc say they don’t want children and I’m not dissuading them.

Winky2024 · 03/03/2026 12:48

I made a conscious decision with my lovely husband not to have children.

Your post OP sums up why!

IWantThisJob · 03/03/2026 12:49

Haggisfish3 · 03/03/2026 12:47

Totally agree. My dc say they don’t want children and I’m not dissuading them.

For me to actively want my children to have their own children in the future, I’d need to see a radical overhaul of the motherhood model. I can’t say I blame them!

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Shufflebumnessie · 03/03/2026 12:50

100% agree with everything you've written.

roileydoiley · 03/03/2026 12:50

Yes same OP. I would say that I had no real experience of discrimination until I became a mother. I’m not sure what the answer is entirely though as to a degree biology is destiny. Mothers bear the pregnancy, birth and breastfeeding - that can’t change. Then because of the early caring role mothers often become the main caregiver, have already suffered career detriment due to maternity leave and so on.

IWantThisJob · 03/03/2026 12:52

roileydoiley · 03/03/2026 12:50

Yes same OP. I would say that I had no real experience of discrimination until I became a mother. I’m not sure what the answer is entirely though as to a degree biology is destiny. Mothers bear the pregnancy, birth and breastfeeding - that can’t change. Then because of the early caring role mothers often become the main caregiver, have already suffered career detriment due to maternity leave and so on.

Agreed! There is so much structurally that positions us like this. It’s hard not to be pessimistic about change.

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trumpisvomitous · 03/03/2026 12:54

I wholeheartedly and completely agree with you @IWantThisJob

ThejoyofNC · 03/03/2026 12:54

Women really shot themselves in the foot in their campaign for "equality".

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 03/03/2026 12:54

I was a feminist before I had children. So I married someone who was willing to take on a genuinely fair share of the load.

IWantThisJob · 03/03/2026 12:55

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 03/03/2026 12:54

I was a feminist before I had children. So I married someone who was willing to take on a genuinely fair share of the load.

Me too.

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Skybunnee · 03/03/2026 12:57

Well my demanding babies are now 40+ and lovely kind, interesting, hard working, supportive, kind to me adults and worth every broken night and stroppy argument.
They are adults longer than they are children.

AnneElliott · 03/03/2026 12:57

I agree op - its one of the reasons I stopped at 1 DC. I could not have gone back to my civil service career with more than one and therefore doing the mental load for 2 kids. And I’m civil service which is obviously more flexible than many private sector organisations.

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 03/03/2026 12:57

IWantThisJob · 03/03/2026 12:55

Me too.

So why isn't he doing it?

roileydoiley · 03/03/2026 12:58

Not having children wasn’t the answer for me though, and I don’t just work for money, I absolutely love my job. I want it all and I accept that I need to work incredibly hard to have it all. It’s not fair though.

RosesAndHellebores · 03/03/2026 13:00

Pregnancy and birth with ds1 wasn't great, therefore I insisted it was significantly better with dd and clearly wrote that x, y and z would not be done without my explicit permission or reason. Postnatally I said I woukd be attended by no more than two midwives and no students. I withrew from the HV service. Second time round I breast fed successfully, easier to feed baby, fewer hcps so less conflicting advice, ds had been the practice run.

Back then there was no paternity leave and my mum came for a week.

In some ways women have the care they have because for decades the nhs exoected us to be grateful for sub-optimal care, as did MNet.

I enjoyed being on my own with the baby for 14 hour days (workaholic husband.) It was great.

I agree that sleep can be an issue, both of mine were crap sleepers. One coasts.

I had no issue sacrificing sleep or self because my maternal instincts were visceral.

daysofpearlyspencer · 03/03/2026 13:03

Hard agree. Women are fucked over every whitch way when they have kids. It's why I don't have them, neither do my sisters or female cousins. Would never date a man with kids either.

OneNimbleAnt · 03/03/2026 13:08

IWantThisJob · 03/03/2026 12:55

Me too.

100%
we have been together 20+ years and only got a civil partnership recently. My vows including the fact that I’m proud to show our daughter what a true partnership looks like. He is as angry about everything the OP has posted about as I am.

my daughter wants to have lots of babies and live with her best friends instead of her partner, so they can all look after each other (she is 7) 😂

SolarSystemmm · 03/03/2026 13:19

Agree with everything you’re saying, but you will get people come along and say their generation didn’t and to put up and shut up.

Apparently parenting today is the hardest it’s been since just after the war.

ETA that my husband is great, very supportive, but he works away a lot and we can’t afford for him not to and we can’t afford for me not to work.

dottiedodah · 03/03/2026 13:31

While I agree with the points you make, I think it is a life choice for a limited time(even though it feels like forever!) I am older now and DC are young Adults.I was a SAHM for a long time and only worked PT.As they grow up you have a friend ,and family life to come with hope of dear DGC. It's easy to feel overwhelmed, but there was a thread here the other day. from an older lady who felt very alone (No DC) and was upset about her friend moving away. Keep at it OP there is light at the end of a very long (sometimes !) tunnel

WheretheFishesareFrightening · 03/03/2026 13:40

I get that a lot of that must be overwhelming in a way that I can't appreciate as someone without children - but none of it sounds surprising, so to some extent you must have known it was coming.

I will pick up on the "but you'll have to tell your husband". My DH cooks and shops without any input from me. He does laundry that needs doing if he sees it. He has always shopped for his family, and is aware of upcoming birthdays and days like mother's day etc. If we talk about it, I might ask what he's got his Mum but I've not once reminded him to get a gift for someone. I can't even imagine living a life with someone I need to project manage, much less the having children with them.

Lottapianos · 03/03/2026 13:42

Motherhood is superficially celebrated as the most wonderful thing a woman can do, and what every 'normal' woman wants. But as you say OP, once the baby arrives it's heaven help you if you struggle in any way, or have any questions, or need any guidance, or any referrals, or any meaningful support.

Society (patriarchy) loves the idea of mothers, but hasn't really begun to grapple with the messy reality. Mothers are expected to keep the show on the road at all times, while having no needs of their own. Expectations of fathers are in the gutter

Mich1986 · 03/03/2026 13:44

I love my children so much, but everything you’ve said is spot on!

acorncrush · 03/03/2026 13:47

The worst part is having to work. Having to hold onto a job whilst being a new mother is devastating. I feel sad for my daughter that she might be expected to do the same.

TheNinkyNonkyIsATardis · 03/03/2026 13:55

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 03/03/2026 12:54

I was a feminist before I had children. So I married someone who was willing to take on a genuinely fair share of the load.

I think that's a bit of a trite contribution.

My husband is willing to share the load. But neither of us could predict what the load was, and even though we did SPL, it doesn't mean we could immediately anticipate and get the balance right.

And all the feminism for you or your husband don't change the structural failings of the health service.

My husband buys birthday gifts, does night wakings, cooks, cleans, and is taking our son on a solo mini break in a few weeks.

We still had a fucking awful time navigating the biases against women and working parents in general, and our relationship suffered because it is hard.

BeckyBloom · 03/03/2026 13:56

Exactly and no surprise the birth rate is on the floor! I didn’t have a career 30 years ago when I had my first and stayed home but I think that’s less and less possible these days.