US strikes Iran

[mjf981]

In conjunction with Israel.
Why? Starting wars has never ever ended well for the US, or for the country they are trying to 'help.'

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cn5ge95q6y7t

I hope they figure out whatever needs to be done in defence. As I mentioned earlier, i have friends in Qatar who are really scared right now.

I wasn’t saying that I think they’ll do that. I don’t. I’m saying that ‘bringing the war to a rapid end’ can be interpreted in more ways than ‘getting Trump to leave the regime alone’.

From the article:

“The UAE has requested assistance from its allies with medium-range air defense, while Qatar has asked for help to counter drone attacks — which have emerged as a greater threat than ballistic missiles — the people added. Qatar’s stocks of Patriot interceptor missiles will last four days at the current rate of use, according to an internal analysis seen by Bloomberg News.

UAE President Mohammed bin Zayed Al Nahyan and Qatari emir Tamim bin Hamad Al Thani have held telephone calls with a number of European leaders in recent days including the UK’s Keir Starmer, France’s Emmanuel Macron and Germany’s Friedrich Merz.”

Would point more towards looking to step it up, imo.

Do you think the war will end quicker than Trumps predicted month time line?

I genuinely don’t know. I think it has the potential to, but it has the potential to go on for longer too. It’s too early, and there’s too many factors involved to make any prediction imo.

It’s in the interests of all parties for the regime to be gone, and swiftly. I do believe that they’re ahead of schedule. What they managed to achieve in 24 hours is really quite remarkable. To take out that many important figures so quickly is not something that usually happens.

They aren’t asking for carpet bombing

Funny isn't it a week ago there was peace and now you would think that it was Iran that started this war. The fact is they didn't and there was nothing credible to say Iran going to start a war, absolutely nothing.

So with no congressional vote a country starts a war then expects everyone to come to their aid. Thousands of innocent Iranians have been killed by Israel and America, the middle east burns as Iran retaliates.

Let's not forget it's Ramadan, it's like bombing the UK on Christmas Day. We are meant to be the grown ups in this crazy world and yet here we are constantly starting wars.

We all know Iran is not the regime we would wish for but with the Americans now admitting they have killed all the preferred successors in these raid the alternatives are utterly grim. This is Iraq 2.0, once again weapons of mass destruction....but really it's about regime change.

And then if you reflect on domestic politics and wonder why parties such as the greens are taking safe seats. People are sick of politicians playing with the lives of it's service men and women, sick of paying the economic costs of poor decisions.

You speak of it like a project manager, wars are never won. You think it will be easy to install a leader in a country like Iran.....next will be civil war....have you not seen Syria

@dwordle

"Let's not forget it's Ramadan, it's like bombing the UK on Christmas Day"

Minor point in the scheme of things but given some Arab nations were prepared to violate Yom Kippur to launch a surprise attack on one of their neighbours a few decades back it's not a convincing part of your argument.

On your Christmas Day point do you mean how it feels for Iranians? On that did you see the celebrations?

Have you listened to many speak on this from their perspective?

It also overlooks the fact the Pakistan has been happy to launch air strikes on Afghanistan during Ramadan. The last time I looked, both were Muslim states.

Given what many Iranians are saying I think the pp is overlaying their own view on the day too much.

By the way, does anyone know how things are going between Pakistan and Afghanistan? Because last I have spotted in the Guardian was Pakistan had declared open war.

(Sorry for the off- topic)

Very good point, I'd sadly almost forgotten about that ongoing conflct.

And it hasn't held Pakistan and Afghanistan back either.

It's got nothing to do with geography it's about politics.

So why add Greece to your list?

The point is it's about being better, better than your adversaries. Good will always overcome and diplomacy is more powerful than a bomb.

Look at Putin, the long game has seen him lose virtually all his power. I don't see America helping us much other than giving munitions and then expecting some form of payback later on.

The war is illegal, it's a criminal act. Thanks to Trump international law is now worthless so we can expect more of the same in the future. Can't you see the connection....when those that make the rules start blatantly breaking them we edge closer and closer to world war three.

@dwordlewhat would prefer the Iranian people did?

Given waiting for diplomacy hadn’t stopped the brutality for decades.

How should they get out of their situation in your view

Thousands of innocent Iranians have been killed by Israel and America

Have you got a source for this?

I'd like to see that source as well.

I assume it’s a typo and they meant to say the Iranian regime but inexplicably put Israel & America instead.

Easy mistake to make 🥴

Thousands of innocent Iranians have been killed by IT'S OWN REGIME.

There corrected it for you.

I’m not sure how this has passed the pp by.

Correct, they're politely asking Trump to pack up his toys and go home.

In Bahrain (majority Shia population) there are uprisings happening, the longer this goes on the more chance of the monarchies being overthrown aka a reverse Sykes-Picot.

Also the casualty figures you posted earlier are on the low end, if you look at the damage that has been done the figures are going to be significantly higher. The American Navy port in Bahrain is has been burning for ages and is the destruction will be large.

I think that some people just throw random claims out there hoping that they will stick.