Today's by-election... how do you think it will go?

[Westfacing]

A few months back according to the media it was Reform's for the taking - now it's a three-way bet between Labour, Greens and Reform

Ahh that's where you're wrong.

Islamo-leftism" is a tactical, and often paradoxical partnership. Left wing progressives often champion secularism, feminism, and LGBTQ+ rights—ideals that strictly conservative Islamist movements oppos. But they find common ground with Islamists in their shared hatred of Western foreign policy, capitalism, and liberal democratic structures.

This alliance is temporary. For example the 1979 Iranian Revolution, shows that Islamists may align with secular leftists or LBTQ etc to gain power but later purge them once they no longer need them.

I don't think conflating the two is fair. We are not an Islamic nation and no LGBTQ+ rights are under threat from the Muslim vote.

Your anti-Muslim stance is risible.

Yes, I absolutely condemn muslims who want to make homosexuality illegal.

And I condemn Christians who want to make homosexuality illegal.

And I condemn anyone else who holds those views, of any faith or none.

But I recognise that there are lots of Muslims and Christians and people of other faiths or none who don't want to make homosexuality illegal, who don't want to impose their views on others and who are quite happy to live and let live.

No it’s not the logical extension of what I said. I said I am very worried about the divisive and dangerous Reform party. I said I cannot spend my time worrying about everyone whose opinions I disagree with. Do you not worry about more racial divisions in this country? We’ve actually seen people harassed during Brexit? Or are you only bothered about people’s protections if it’s LGBTQ people? I am bothered about everyone’s human rights.

I didn’t say I was a supporter of the Green Party. I think that shows what ridiculous inferences you make to try and defend Nige and his ilk.

”We’re working to liberate the pockets of billionaires “, said the new MP, and it’s true. Farage has the opposite views, I say.

Unfortunately I think PP is incapable of absorbing this kind of nuance.

Again, homophobia is really, really bad. Not just homophobia by muslims, but all of it.

I do think one thing that underlines things aren't straightforward is that a supposedly anti-semitic, homophobic community has gone out and voted en bloc for a party with a jewish, gay leader. It's almost as if islam isn't some kind of hive-mind monoculture.

Where did I say I didn’t acknowledge that. Interesting how people often comment without evidence to back up their assertions especially when the are misinformed and prejudiced

Populist politics won. If the Green/Reform trend continues we will all lose out.

Anyone who suggests the October massacre was the start of what went wrong in Israel just haven’t got a clue how history works

I'm not sure about that. On one hand, I think Reform and the Greens are two cheeks of the same proverbial, in the sense that they're promising simple solutions to really complex problems (excepting of course the actual green stuff, where they know their onions, even if I don't always agree).

However:

(i) We've swung horribly as a society away from tolerance and decency over the last decade, mainly driven by the reactionary right. The Greens are, at least, trying to pull things back in the right direction (imo; other views are available)

(ii) There's basically no danger of the Greens forming a government, or even having much influence in a coalition, so they're a safe-enough, and useful protest vote (if you're their way inclined, of course). Reform could well end up in power in a few years. There are actual fascists among their ranks (not all, but enough) and that's quite scary.

Exactly. 'Who started it' is a futile question, as you would be going literally back to pre-history. The only useful question is how we stop it.

Greens + Muslim MPs could form a sizeable coalition. If the left-wing vote goes to Greens from Labour and the ethnic vote to independent MPs then that is a lot of seats.

Given Hamas won’t agree to a 2 state solution or anything less than the total destruction of Israel, that’s anyone’s guess.

Do you acknowledge that Muslims are more likely to want homosexuality to be illegal than people of other groups, given 70% of Muslim countries have made homosexuality illegal and some of them punishable by death?

Well it seems to be a fact. I've acknowledged it. repeatedly. It's shit.

Do you acknowledge the same about christians, and Reform voters?

And you think that is a bad thing?

They could and they couldn’t.

The symbiosis between the Muslim and left wing vote can only exist as long as they don’t have actual power to share.

Once they do, they can’t cooperate because their views are socially at odds with each other.

This is what has happened to Your Party - it’s flopped because the Muslims joined on the Gaza platform, and the transgenders joined on the LGBTQ platform, only to realise they kind of despised each other and only one of them could win.

LGBTQ won, leading to the departure of many Muslims, who are now going Green.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdd57e924meo

Homosexuality is illegal across much of Africa, which is mainly Christian (this is also shit, obviously). Where are your repeated, frothing posts about that?

They can’t power share, so it’s meaningless. There’s no way the Muslim vote would lend itself to gender identity, and no way the gender identity vote would lend itself to social conservatism.

They could easily find a middleground.

You think a lot in extremes, Most people are moderates.

'The Muslim vote' 🙄

It's OK if Christians are homophobic. Only Muslims must be held to account for their views.

Once more in very simple language:
There. Is. No. Muslim. Vote.

Happy to condemn it completely and without exception.

Thankfully, Christian (or small C Christian) countries have actively lead the charges in decriminalisation, gay marriage and LGBTQ rights.

What’s this then?

https://www.instagram.com/themuslimvote/?hl=en

Well, you are the one, along with @Playingvideogames constantly going about Muslims and their, alleged, anti gay stance.

btw approx 50% of Tory MPs voted against the Gay Marriage bill, just 13 years ago.