Today's by-election... how do you think it will go?

[Westfacing]

A few months back according to the media it was Reform's for the taking - now it's a three-way bet between Labour, Greens and Reform

Which is brilliant. Nigel has demonstrably done enough harm in this country with the disastrous Brexit. How much more proof do we need? It hasn’t done anything to curb immigration and has been ruinous economically.

So pleased enough people are finally saying up yours Farage. It’s a vote for people looking forwards rather than backwards to some mythical past. It’s also a vote for more collectivism as a country and less me, me, me by people who are quite happy to use the NHS and claim any benefit going but don’t want a welfare state for the future as they try to dodge paying tax.

No, because that’s not at odds with their worldview is it?

Why shouldn’t illegal immigrants be kicked out in your opinion?

Who is dodging paying tax? Can you elaborate?

So let's establish some points:
the Democracy Volunteers did report cases of "family voting " offences to polling station staff whilst polling was open
Polling station staff did not report any cases of family voting to the Polling Officer, either that they witnessed or that was reported to them by Democracy Volunteers.
The Code of Practice says that volunteers should bring instances of irregularities to the attention of polling station staff on the spot, which they did.

Regarding your comment that Democracy Volunteers falsely made"have an axe to grind", ie they are not a neutral observer- do have any links or evidence to back this up. And why after observing elections from the US to Kazakhstan they have only been accused of political bias in the Gorton and Denton by election.

Where did I say the issue of illegal immigrants shouldn't be tackled?

Oh, i thought Reform have a practicing Muslim in their leading team.... Home Affairs and head of policy no less....

& its Reform that wishes to revoke the Equality Act... the first step to removing rights.

Sore loser and very bad at maths Matty is

Speaking to journalists, Matt Goodwin says Reform were beaten by “a coalition of Islamists and woke progressives that came together to dominate the constituency.”

He says “I don’t think the progressives beat us, I think the progressives were told how to vote.”

I know. It’s laughable for Reform voters to bleat about any kind of phobia or - ism…Or that Greens couldn’t run the country. Reform couldn’t run a school tuck shop. A leader with one of the worst voting records as an MEP in history who is hardly ever working for his own constituents as an MP.

Nige is only working for Nige and his uber-rich buddies.

The official opposition party lost its deposit. That's shocking! (Stifles giggle 🤭)

So you don’t find it troubling that half of Muslims think homosexuality should be illegal ‘cos something else’?

When was that broadcast? Would be interested to listen to it.

Btw I’m not a Reform voter, and have been very vocal on here for a long time against Reform if you don’t believe me.

Don’t ridiculous. That’s not their only plan. Calm down and try reading some facts.

I don’t mind them tbf

Labour losing in third is worth it. If it doesn’t cause ructions the May elections probably will.

and?

Doesn't it worry you that you very much come across as one?

Yes. People who get paid cash in hand. And people who do things like putting their house in their children’s name while still living in it. Or putting their pension in their children’s name to avoid inheritance tax. Yet still get every benefit or NHS treatment going. And then complain about immigrants leaching off our country. Many of whom have voted Tory for decades so they can pay less tax while still looking forward to their triple lock pension at 65.

Is Badenoch going to invent another insulting name, this time for the Greens?

It was this morning’s Today programme on Radio 4. About an hour and 35 minutes in. I was catching up on the app (BBC Sounds).

I’m still flabbergasted about the cocaine thing!

IMO we need a new category - I would suggest the non-working class. IMO to equate ‘working class’ with those wholly dependent on benefits is an insult to a great many people.

And while I’m at it, I do wish Starmer et al would stop referring to ‘working people’. As long as they don’t use the supremely condescending term ‘ordinary people’ instead!

I've got some facts.

Zack thinks we don't need to worry about the bond markets because he doesn't understand that we've borrowed money from overseas investors. He thinks we only owe money to the Bank of England and that if we run out, we can just print some more.

He thinks because Japan has a debt twice the size of ours, we can do the same. He doesn't understand why that would be a problem for the UK but it's not for Japan.

What do you think of those facts?

This is tactical voting - like it or not its happening, people that voted labour will vote green as it sends a message (as they see it) to those in power that previously had their vote - we are dissatisfied with you running the country. They also know that if they vote labour it may lead to reform gaining an MP so they vote Green, to keep reform out

I’m sure Starmer bristling and feeling the threat over all this will be enjoyable.

Reminder: it was 500 Muslims saying that out of a poll of 1,000 Muslims out of a population of 3.9 million Muslims out of the overall UK population of 68.8 million. Stop trying to pretend Muslims have the voter clout to overturn LGBTQ+ protections in the UK.

Be careful what you wish for. The Greens have some worrying policies which would really destabilise our economy if they ever got near power or in coalition.