Today's by-election... how do you think it will go?

[Westfacing]

A few months back according to the media it was Reform's for the taking - now it's a three-way bet between Labour, Greens and Reform

Interesting.

They have a hierarchy of importance and Muslims come before Jews. Because Jews are ‘whiter’ and white equals power and oppression. It’s that simple.

Err, no, they came second?

I don't think there's a "correct" answer. Just different views, really.

I suspect the numbers also have something to do with it.

I don't think there's a "correct" answer.

I think there is.

Yes, I gathered that!

This can be said to a greater extent for Labour.

All that campaigning and SM and third.

Well appeasing Muslims will always result in far more votes than appeasing Jews.

I dont believe all the ‘family voting’ stuff. Surely anyone wanting to influence another voter would encourage them to do a postal vote and do it that way? But we are expected to believe suddenly for this election there was a huge amount of public family voting that went unchallenged by officials??!!

I think Gaza was definitely a factor. Many people consider it a genocide, carried out by our ally, with our government's support, using weapons we supplied it with. I think things are more nuanced than that, but it's within a range of reasonable views. How big a factor that is is difficult to measure. Many people are more concerned about their bin collections, or their tax burden, than global affairs.

Of course big sections of Muslim society are patriarchal. So is ours; it's a question of degree. It's total BS to suggest that British muslim women are deprived of agency in this way.

I’m sure the Muslim population of G&D will be very on board with the Greens policies on LGBTQ.

Sorry it's me again, back to correcting misinformation.

It was reported to polling officers whilst the polls were open.

John Ault, director of Democracy Volunteers, said the group had raised the matter at polling stations.
He told the Press Association: ‘It is a normal international standard not to issue a public comment until after a voting has finished, another accepted aspect of election observation is that you are encouraged to ask questions of staff…
‘We posed questions about family voting in several polling stations and how staff dealt with it when it arose.’

I agree.

Same. I thought Hannah was a good choice for a candidate, their SM was active and pretty good.

If as the pp below state it was due to Urdu or Ali or other factors then they won’t replicate as much in other areas and it’ll play out either way.

I think let’s see. Greens want to take Labour’s place, so far they won this convincingly. If it’s all area dependent they won’t do as well elsewhere. Although they said it was low on their list for possibles.

In other words, people too scared of upsetting populations who adhere to a particular religion.

Are you high? The main trend over the last decade has to win cheap votes by targeting and demonising muslims.

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I mean I’m not on board with them so this isn’t mud slinging as such. But the left’s determined view that the Muslim vote is one for diversity, minority rights and freedom is… extremely misplaced at best.

The Greens have been selected for their position on (allowing unchecked) immigration and supporting the ‘armed struggle’ of Palestine, nothing more.

What's wrong with the Greens appealing to the Muslim vote? They have as much right to have a say in the governing of the nation where they live as much as you or I do.

If Reform persists with this 'Muslim sectarianism' rhetoric that's emerged this morning, it's going to backfire on them hugely at the local elections and next GE. Most clear-minded voters will see it for what it is: a repugnant suggestion designed to stoke even more division.

Maybe there's a mix of views, you know? Same with people generally. Muslims aren't a hive mind.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/police-officer-whitechapel-defends-christian-preacher-muslim-area-b1272175.html

So, in your view:

"The difference is that Denton is occupied by people who are less educated and more likely to be racist or backwards-looking, i.e. typical Brexit/Reform voters."

Anyone who didn't vote Labour or Green is a bad person.

And:

"The Gorton/Longsight side is a mix of educated young people and Labour voters who are fed up of the current government for a wide range of reasons."

anyone who did is a good person?

You really can't seem to accept that reasonable people can hold different political views to yours?

To be frank, I believe that any government that included the Green Party would very quickly bring this country to its knees. But I accept that some people believe otherwise and that they are reasonable people (just with different beliefs).

In contrast though, you appear to not be able to give people with different political beliefs to yourself that same courtesy.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/apr/11/british-muslims-strong-sense-of-belonging-poll-homosexuality-sharia-law

No doubt if this was a poll among Reform voters you would call it ‘terrifying’

And?