Today's by-election... how do you think it will go?

[Westfacing]

A few months back according to the media it was Reform's for the taking - now it's a three-way bet between Labour, Greens and Reform

None so blind as those who will not see.

@AStonedRose I agree that Gaza was definitely a factor. I was replying to a poster who said "where is your evidence that this vote was the result of Gaza" so this is some evidence that it was a factor. I never claimed that it was the only factor amongst those who voted Green.

Muslim society is more patriarchal than ours - especially these days.

Tell me you don't know any Muslims without telling me you don't know any Muslims.

Pro-LGBTQ Muslims exist. Indeed, actual LGBTQ Muslims also exist. Muslim women who are not oppressed or coerced by their husbands are plentiful. Muslims are not a monolithic bloc any more than Christians or Jews or atheists are.

The Greens played a blinder, and credit to them. I don't know if it would necessarily happen in a General Election, but all things are possible.
I did fear a Reform win, so at least that didn't happen!

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/apr/11/british-muslims-strong-sense-of-belonging-poll-homosexuality-sharia-law

'... ours'. Interesting use of language there.

Sorry, yet again, you're wrong, as you were on growth figures recently.

Reporting to the volunteers in the polling station is NOT the same as reporting to the authorities.
He can report without making public comment.

I quote:
The officer responsible for running the by-election rejected the claims, saying no reports of family voting had been made by polling station staff

A spokesperson for the acting returning officer said: "Polling station staff are trained to look out for any evidence of undue influence on voters.
"No such issues have been reported today.

"If Democracy Volunteers were so concerned about alleged issues they could and should have raised them with us during polling hours so that immediate action could be taken.
"We have operated a central by-election hub which has been rapidly responding to reported issues during the day, in liaison with the police - who had a presence at every polling station - where necessary.

"It is extremely disappointing that Democracy Volunteers have waited until after polls have closed to make such claims."

A spokesperson for the Electoral Commission, which oversees elections in the UK, said: "We are aware of the report. Electoral offences are a matter for the police. We encourage anyone who believes an offence has occurred to report it to the police.

"The statutory electoral observer Code of Practice says that electoral observers may bring potential irregularities, fraud or significant problems to the attention of elected officials on the spot"

Looks very much like they have an axe to grind or don't know the very rules they (unofficially) seek to uphole.

You dont think there are any differences between the communities?

I can see exactly the point you are trying to make. Why don't you just come out and say it instead of skirting around it. Or is it because you know the vast majority of posters on this thread won't agree with your anti-Muslim stance?

So I’ve showed you hard evidence that half of Muslims think homosexuality should be illegal, and somehow this is indicative of my bigotry?

LOL

I don't think differences can be reduced to "communities". There are many differences of opinion within communities.

Well that blows a hole in yours and others "theory" that the Greens won because of the Muslim vote.....

If nothing else, adults are waking up
today & realising UK politics is nasty. Always has been. No politician "has your back"

It's literally based on adults yelling abuse at each other

We can't have it all, and many of us are politically homeless.

Turkeys have voted for Christmas throughout history. This isn't new either. I live in Cornwall
which has experienced vast decline and job losses since Brexit.

I expect this result will just make people stop and think about who they're voting for in the next GE and why. It doesn't mean Greens will win 🤣

Can't have it all

It was a survey of 1000 people! So 500 Muslims out of a population of 3.9 million took that stance.

Oh yes, that's right. According to the 2021 census, there are 3.9 Muslims living in the UK out of a population of 68.8 – 6.5%.

We're being overrun!!! 🙄

Goodness, did you actually speak to every person who voted green to find this out? That's amazing!

And half don't.

Now do the same for practising Christians please.

There is nothing wrong with the Greens appealing to the Muslim vote. What is questionable to many people is if the Green party used what is happening in Gaza to win Muslim votes on just that one issue when actually the liberal values of the Green party are against traditional Muslim values.

If they are focusing on that one issue - which isn't happening in the UK - to get votes, then that seems cynical and wrong. Not illegal - just morally wrong. Because it's not about "the governing of the nation where they live" is it? It's about what is happening a long way from where they live.

You wouldn’t be making any of these excuses had it been Reform voters, and you know it 🤷‍♀️

The fact Islamic countries are predominantly extremely hostile to LGBT people is also a good indicator. Some even have the death penalty.

Let me guess, I’m the bigot?

Even though the Greens won, Farage will once again be the centre of media attention.

Well they’re courting a vote from a population diametrically at odds with their social beliefs around women, LGBTQ and other religious minorities. They’re simply a wolf in sheep’s clothing. Nobody will even address this as they find it a bit embarrassing. They’ll just focus on us being ‘bigoted’ by mentioning it.

You know this means half don't think that?

Oh dear. I was just stating facts. Look for the data if you wish.

Reform/Brexit supporters are generally less educationally experienced. That's a fact, any reputable polling website will confirm this.

Green voters are younger than the average voting demographic. That's also a fact, and any reputable polling website will also confirm this.

Reform/Brexit supports are generally older and more likely to express nationalist/anti-immigration sentiments. Again, this is a statistical fact.

P.S. For what it's worth, I don't vote for any of the parties mentioned.

Yet you had no issue when the person I was responding to said "Of course big sections of Muslim society are patriarchal. So is ours; it's a question of degree"

Interesting choice of who to pick up on their interesting use of language there.

What's Mothin Ali got to do with Keir Starmer?!

Er, no. It's a mix - the Denton section is generally populated by people who have spent less time in education, and the Gorton section either have more education or, for cultural reasons, place more importance on education. I live in the area, I know both areas very, very well, and the constituency really is in two halves.