Soham Monster attacked in Jail.

[Netcurtainnelly]

I hate saying his name.
The vile creature who killed Holly and Jessica in 2002. Has been seriously assaulted in prison.

I think the insinuation is that if someone killed one of your children you would want them to suffer.

Perhaps that is true. It fortunately has not happened to me and I can’t imagine how I’d feel if it did.

But it is awful to piggyback onto someone’s grief and pain in this way and try to use it as an excuse for violence.

Maybe it was - who cares?

He won’t. Where on earth did you get that idea from?

It's a terrible indictment of our prison system that prisoners aren't kept safe from other inmates. Do I have a single fuck to give about this particular turd? I do not.

The kind of people he's in with, it's unlikely to be a targeted attack because of what he did. Everyone he's in with is just as bad, he's not exactly in a low-security prison with cheeky jack-the-lads who stole some tools off the back of a van.

Ian Watkins was stabbed, allegedly, due to jealousy over treatment inside. Not because he was an awful human being.

I'd be prepared to place my bet that this is similar. It will be a petty prison squabble, not some sort of noble attempt at justice.

Good

We normally despise people who get pleasure from other people's suffering, but many here would agree it's fine if it's targeted at a specific type of person they disapprove of.

Do I have sympathy for Huntley? No. Do I support what happened and celebrate it? Also no.

It’s what he deserves.

Do tell us how prisons are improved if prisoners have to sleep on the floor instead of in beds.

Agreed. That place is known as the 'Monster Mansion' with good reason. I doubt people would be congratulating the would/be murderer(s) if they knew precisely what they themselves were convicted of and what motivated the attack. At present that hasn't been made public. Prisons have their own hierarchies: he could just as likely have crossed someone or been attacked for mercenary reasons. This turned out to be the case with Watkins.

I have no sympathy with Huntley. I also don't want to see the worst convicted criminals in the country dispensing 'justice'. Public executions, mob vigilantism and lynchings are not how the UK does these things.

Don’t be ridiculous. You wouldn’t be so f*ing self righteous if he had murdered your 9 year old daughter.

If you deny that you’re either kidding yourself or you’re not the full ticket.

There’s a crucial difference between celebrating harm for its own sake and reacting to someone who has committed unspeakable crimes against innocent children who were out playing. In the case of this brutal child murderer, feeling relief, satisfaction, or even a sense of justice can be a natural response to extraordinary evil. We must beg to differ on this I’m afraid. No one is perfect I hasten to add

I can't say that I have a shred of sympathy for him.

It isn’t being self righteous to not think violence is a good thing.

You keep blasting me with ‘what if it was your daughter’ as if that is somehow a winning, compelling argument and it isn’t.

If we have a justice system in which category A prisoners can inflict torture and violence upon other category A prisoners and be congratulated for that and played as heroes - can you really not see what a terrible system that would be? And that seeing this and saying ‘hey no, we don’t want that, we don’t want to encourage that’ is not being ‘fucking self righteous’ (you can swear; it is not a problem) it is just wanting a system that is not based on intimidation and violence.

Hopefully he’s in a lot of pain. I saw that the air ambulance was sent to him although not used, wtf?!

Incidentally both girls were ten; almost eleven.

I doubt this is a case of ‘honour among thieves’ more than likely he’s really pissed off another inmate, and they’ve gone in for the attack.
I don’t know why this has had to be reported, it must be unbelievably painful for the families of Holly and Jessica, having his name banded around the media yet again.

It's just a different way of thinking. It doesn't make you self righteous. Something dreadful happened to a female relative of mine. At no point have I wanted the attacker to be assaulted or murdered. My over-riding feeling is that I just wish he hadn't done it. That's what dominates my thoughts. I loathe him with every fibre of my being but if he's assaulted or murdered, it doesn't change what happened to her. It doesn't put things right. I'm not choosing to feel like that...its just how I feel. Am I self righteous in your view?

I can promise you I will never do what he has done or ever have.

So you say @Netcurtainnelly but what about if you were falsely accused of this and wrongly imprisoned? Would you be OK with the violence then? I believe this man is absolutely guilty as hell but maybe the next guy won't be. Maybe your kids will grow up and be in the wrong place at the wrong time or a victim of someone's prejudice or revenge. It happens. Remember the Birmingham six, the Guildford four? It was a long time ago but the British justice system isn't that different today from what I understand. Would it be OK if they were beaten half to death. They were mass murderers after all to the person who (hypothetically) is beating them at the time. Only they weren't.

I’m assuming you are childless.

Imagine if it was your beautiful 9 year old daughter?

I wonder if you would stand by your convictions?

Of course you wouldn’t.

You are assuming incorrectly. I have two children.

The girls were beautiful, but I don’t think that matters. It would not be a less heinous crime if they were plain, would it? And they were not nine, they were both ten, weeks away from turning eleven.

The problem with what you’re saying is that if you have a quick look at some of the notable inmates at HMP Frankland, you’ll see some notorious names. Levi Bellfield is one; he killed numerous beautiful daughters. Are we going to laud him a hero and shake his hand if it transpires he was responsible? How about Wayne Couzens, or John Duffy?

And they are the ones we know about, because they got so much press attention. When I was at secondary school, a nine year old little girl from one of the local primaries vanished and was later found washed up on the shores of the river some eight weeks later. There was very little press attention. She had been raped and strangled. Her killer is now free, which I would personally argue is wrong but his actions were as cruel and as inhumane as Huntley’s.

So we feel justified in our hatred of Huntley but I’m not giving his sentence to Bellfield or Duffy or any of the others in there, thanks. I’ll turn your point around - what if it was my daughter? Indeed; what if my daughter’s killer killer Huntley? Is that going to vindicate for his crime? No it is not. I think if I lost my daughter in such a senseless way I’d feel passionately against violence and murder, not wanting to encourage killers to carry on killing.

Eh no there isn’t - he killed two girls! I hope people beat him up every day so they don’t kill in but he gets hurt every single day

Beautiful is not necessarily just aesthetically.

You don’t convince me, unless of course you’re narcissistic.

So everyone who expresses unease about people crowing with delight about violent attacks is a narcissist?

Apart from being wrong, that makes no sense at all: a narcissist is someone with an unhealthy preoccupation with themselves. I don’t see how that fits with anything I’ve said at all, even if you don’t agree with it!

I don't actually think it's helpful for the parents of Huntley’s victims to keep hearing about what happens to their daughters’ murderer in prison. The attack probably wasn't even about vigilante justice anyway, as has been said. There are other equally heinous killers incarcerated in there with him.

Not that I have any particular empathy for Huntley. He committed terrible crimes, so getting locked up with other psychopaths is part and parcel of a whole life term.

I'll save all my empathy for the victims’ families, who have to keep hearing about him.