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Green Party wanting to legalise drugs.

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YorkieTheRabbit · 24/02/2026 15:46

Maybe I’m not thinking this through correctly, so could anyone explain to me how legalising heroin would work.

It’s highly addictive, causes physical dependency and can damage to the body.

Then, who is supposed to be paying for the supply? Would it be taxpayers basically paying for people to become addicted then paying to treat the addiction?
I know that people will take drugs regardless but I just can’t get my head around this.
Surely the Greens don’t think that drug dealers will just shrug their shoulders and go and get a proper job 🤷‍♀️

Will they be delivered by deliveroo, along with a KFC?
Or will people be able to buy drugs from dodgy Dom down the road, who’ll pop round in five minutes with whatever you fancy,. Plus Dom will need to fill in a tax return. Or will people need to catch a bus to the nearest dispensary? The mind boggles

Are they planning on charging VAT the same as alcohol or will it be free on prescription?
Please excuse my rambling as I’m sleeping deprived but this really has me pondering.

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SerendipityJane · 27/02/2026 17:24

YorkieTheRabbit · 27/02/2026 17:01

@SerendipityJane milk no, however there is a huge black market for alcohol and cigarettes
Milk is pretty cheap so not financially viable but meat etc is.

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Ah yes. The legal drugs, alcohol and tobacco.

Can't really say anymore, can we. We already have legalised and taxed drugs, so we aren't really arguing over a principle now. Just the extent.

YorkieTheRabbit · 27/02/2026 17:31

I truly hope this never becomes more than a debate, not an appalling reality.

The black market exists on far more than legal drugs.
Stolen phones, cars, tech and even food has a good resale value on the black market.

I doubt many people wish to live in a society where serious drug use and the problems it brings is tolerated in public places.

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LauraNorda · 27/02/2026 18:32

pinkyredrose · 27/02/2026 11:36

Prostitution and porn already are legal.

Would you be happy for your daughter to choose that 'career'?

38thparallel · 27/02/2026 18:42

I doubt many people wish to live in a society where serious drug use and the problems it brings is tolerated in public places.

I agree. Cities such as San Francisco, Portland, Chicago etc sound grim.

Erin1975 · 27/02/2026 18:45

YorkieTheRabbit · 27/02/2026 17:01

@SerendipityJane milk no, however there is a huge black market for alcohol and cigarettes
Milk is pretty cheap so not financially viable but meat etc is.

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No there isn't. There may be a black market for smuggled tobacco but it is a tiny percentage of the total market. And if people are selling illegal alcohol I've never come across them.

BurntBroccoli · 27/02/2026 19:24

YorkieTheRabbit · 27/02/2026 16:31

How is making it legal going to get rid of dealers? If the government sell at a set rate, which will need to include vat, dealers will sell it cheaper. Not a chance in hell will criminals walk away from something so lucrative

It will.

Kids will just go to the nearby cannabis cafe for a spliff rather than hanging out on the streets waiting for a dealer (who may offer harder and harder drugs each time).

They have such cafes in Barcelona so young people are in a much safer environment.

Also - I don’t see many dealers hanging around selling alcohol (which actually causes twice as many deaths from direct abuse than drugs).

SerendipityJane · 27/02/2026 19:29

Erin1975 · 27/02/2026 18:45

No there isn't. There may be a black market for smuggled tobacco but it is a tiny percentage of the total market. And if people are selling illegal alcohol I've never come across them.

I know a couple of people who distil their own and have done for years. But that's for another thread

EasternStandard · 27/02/2026 20:02

SerendipityJane · 27/02/2026 16:48

From personal experience, the biggest draw around drugs is the illegality. It's why the cool kids tried it at school.

And it's interesting that one of the arguments for extending drinking hours making alcohol more available was that it would reduce consumption - which it has done.

What statistics (that can be trusted) are available from the US to compare state where cannabis (which let us remember is just one of the substances in discussion) is legal compared to states where it isn't ?

Do you have dc who did drugs whilst at school? Which ones did they do

GingerBeverage · 27/02/2026 20:06

Kids? Those clubs are 18+

Unless you’re suggesting they allow minors inside, ie break the law?

EvelynBeatrice · 27/02/2026 21:59

cowslick · 27/02/2026 15:44

Sick of hearing on here about 'druggies' on here as if they are not people. That 'druggie' soaking wet in some shop doorway is somebody's child. Have some empathy if not for that person then.the families ripped apart by the scourge of drugs. The current drug laws are not working. We need to do better.

Making drug taking legal with no social disincentive or stigma will not lessen its use or the resultant tragedies - more investment in prevention and healthcare might.

MaturingCheeseball · 28/02/2026 08:55

But they are not advocating prevention. Legalising and education is approving of drug taking. And they are not about legalising cannabis; it’s hard drugs.

SerendipityJane · 28/02/2026 11:30

EasternStandard · 27/02/2026 20:02

Do you have dc who did drugs whilst at school? Which ones did they do

Alcohol to start with.

SerendipityJane · 28/02/2026 11:31

MaturingCheeseball · 28/02/2026 08:55

But they are not advocating prevention. Legalising and education is approving of drug taking. And they are not about legalising cannabis; it’s hard drugs.

See also: alcohol, tobacco.

Perplexed20 · 28/02/2026 11:41

Im in two minds. I don't like drugs, can't bear the smell of cannabis. I have also worked in mental health where uncontrolled cannabis (strength v high) resulted in triggering psychosis and for some people much worse outcomes. I think if we legalised we could control strength, tax and put into prevention programmes and make it like tobacco smoking which is much reduced. If we could make people aware... it could also disincentivise gangs.
I think it's a complex problem and I dont know the best solution and I'd also argue that we're currently doing isnt working.

SerendipityJane · 28/02/2026 12:25

Perplexed20 · 28/02/2026 11:41

Im in two minds. I don't like drugs, can't bear the smell of cannabis. I have also worked in mental health where uncontrolled cannabis (strength v high) resulted in triggering psychosis and for some people much worse outcomes. I think if we legalised we could control strength, tax and put into prevention programmes and make it like tobacco smoking which is much reduced. If we could make people aware... it could also disincentivise gangs.
I think it's a complex problem and I dont know the best solution and I'd also argue that we're currently doing isnt working.

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As long as we maintain the utter hypocrisy around alcohol and tobacco, nothing will change.

You cannot permit (and tax) addictive harmful substances on the one hand, whilst on the other you are saying that addictive and harmful substances are illegal.

The 2016 Psychoactive substances act had to explicitly exempt alcohol and tobacco as there was no other way to avoid them being covered.

(There was no need for the 2016 law, had the 1971 law been applied as intended).

Oh, look. You can't rule by soundbites. How odd.

EvelynBeatrice · 28/02/2026 12:32

MaturingCheeseball · 28/02/2026 08:55

But they are not advocating prevention. Legalising and education is approving of drug taking. And they are not about legalising cannabis; it’s hard drugs.

Yes- I’m agreeing with you!

Perplexed20 · 28/02/2026 12:42

SerendipityJane · 28/02/2026 12:25

As long as we maintain the utter hypocrisy around alcohol and tobacco, nothing will change.

You cannot permit (and tax) addictive harmful substances on the one hand, whilst on the other you are saying that addictive and harmful substances are illegal.

The 2016 Psychoactive substances act had to explicitly exempt alcohol and tobacco as there was no other way to avoid them being covered.

(There was no need for the 2016 law, had the 1971 law been applied as intended).

Oh, look. You can't rule by soundbites. How odd.

I think we might agree with each other.

falalalalalalalallama · 28/02/2026 13:37

In my town, just a couple of weeks ago, a young person died after taking a pill sold to them as ecstacy.

It had been laced with something else and it was that that killed him. Had it been actual MDMA, he would still be alive.

Banning drugs doesn't stop people taking them. Instead, it hands the manufacture and supply of powerful drugs over to criminal gangs. This makes no sense at all.

One of the biggest risks for both casual drug takers and serious addicts is the adulteration of drugs. For heroin addicts, there's a double bind. Most street heroin is adulterated, given how much profit can be made. Sometimes the thing it's mixed with makes it more dangerous for the addict, particularly if injecting it. But with heroin, it's also easy to overdose if you get the dose wrong. So, unexpectedly pure heroin can be a risk too, if the users then take more then they realise.

Drugs like MDMA are relatively safe despite public info campaigns to the contrary, but when people buy a "pill" they can only hope it's pure, and not knowing what you are taking can have potentially lethal consequences.

Drugs like weed have got ever stronger while in criminal hands. Way back when, it used to be normal to smoke homegrown weed, which wasn't that strong. But over the years it's got ever stronger, with "super skunk" now pretty normal and sometimes laced with more dangerous substances.

None of this is improved by drugs being illegal. It makes absolutely no sense to let criminal gangs control the drugs trade. It massively benefits the criminals to keep drugs illegal, while putting both the addicts, and casual users at more risk.

Legalising drugs doesn't mean they'll be sold in corner shops! It does mean that you can start to create sensible policies that treat addiction as a health issue, not a criminal one, and that you remove the control and supply from criminal gangs.

SerendipityJane · 28/02/2026 14:18

Perplexed20 · 28/02/2026 12:42

I think we might agree with each other.

Possibly fiercely 😁

SerendipityJane · 28/02/2026 14:25

One of the biggest risks for both casual drug takers and serious addicts is the adulteration of drugs.

In any debate about "drugs", it is important to reject anyones assertions about any substance bought on the street.

It is impossible to know anything about random substances bought from dodgy dealers.

falalalalalalalallama · 28/02/2026 14:51

SerendipityJane · 28/02/2026 14:25

One of the biggest risks for both casual drug takers and serious addicts is the adulteration of drugs.

In any debate about "drugs", it is important to reject anyones assertions about any substance bought on the street.

It is impossible to know anything about random substances bought from dodgy dealers.

Sorry, I can't tell if you're agreeing with me or disagreeing with me?

No one knows what's in the drugs they're buying from street dealers at the point of sale, that's the whole point. But, there have been many tests of street drugs to find out what's in them.

Here's an article on testing street drugs, for example. A quarter of drugs they tested were found to be "fake and dangerous to users"

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/feb/16/overdose-deaths-quarter-of-street-drugs-are-fake-and-dangerous-to-users

A quarter of street drugs are fake and dangerous to users

As overdose deaths rise, many buyers don’t know strength or content of what they buy

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/feb/16/overdose-deaths-quarter-of-street-drugs-are-fake-and-dangerous-to-users

38thparallel · 28/02/2026 15:08

Legalising drugs doesn't mean they'll be sold in corner shops.

Where will they be sold?

falalalalalalalallama · 28/02/2026 15:58

38thparallel · 28/02/2026 15:08

Legalising drugs doesn't mean they'll be sold in corner shops.

Where will they be sold?

Well, that depends on what the policy is. Can you not imagine anything other than totally illegal, or free for sale with no restrictions?!

To give you an idea, if I was setting the policy, I'd set it in relation to each drug, with the aim being to minimise health risks and remove the drug from criminal crontrol.

It'd have to be evidence-based policy, so my thoughts might change after some research, but it'd be something like...

For weed - make it legal to grow your own in small quantities and smoke it.
Make it easy for doctors to prescribe medical grade cannabis where it is proven or suspected to help health conditions. Make possession of small quantities legal, produced by approved suppiers and sold online.

For MDMA / ecstacy, make posession of small quantities legal. Set up approved suppliers and sell online in small amounts.

For herion addicts, treat addiction as a health issue not a crime. Give addicts heroin via clinics where it's part of a plan to wean them off. Currently addicts get methodone, which is more dangerous than heroin, so the status quo makes no sense. Addicts would need to take the heroin at the clinic, to prevent selling it on.

Do public information drives about drug safety, focussed on evidence-based advise and harm minimisation not moralising.

SerendipityJane · 28/02/2026 15:59

falalalalalalalallama · 28/02/2026 14:51

Sorry, I can't tell if you're agreeing with me or disagreeing with me?

No one knows what's in the drugs they're buying from street dealers at the point of sale, that's the whole point. But, there have been many tests of street drugs to find out what's in them.

Here's an article on testing street drugs, for example. A quarter of drugs they tested were found to be "fake and dangerous to users"

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/feb/16/overdose-deaths-quarter-of-street-drugs-are-fake-and-dangerous-to-users

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It's Schrodingers drugs, innit ?

Despite everyone agreeing you cannot be sure what you are buying on the street, everybody "knows" what the effects are.

You really cannot have it both ways.

And for all the hysteria about cannabis, the UK is still one of the worlds leading suppliers.

SerendipityJane · 28/02/2026 16:01

Do public information drives about drug safety, focussed on evidence-based advise and harm minimisation not moralising.

See: AIDS (Which the UK led the world in evidence driven policy).