Green Party wanting to legalise drugs.

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Maybe I’m not thinking this through correctly, so could anyone explain to me how legalising heroin would work.

It’s highly addictive, causes physical dependency and can damage to the body.

Then, who is supposed to be paying for the supply? Would it be taxpayers basically paying for people to become addicted then paying to treat the addiction?
I know that people will take drugs regardless but I just can’t get my head around this.
Surely the Greens don’t think that drug dealers will just shrug their shoulders and go and get a proper job 🤷‍♀️

Will they be delivered by deliveroo, along with a KFC?
Or will people be able to buy drugs from dodgy Dom down the road, who’ll pop round in five minutes with whatever you fancy,. Plus Dom will need to fill in a tax return. Or will people need to catch a bus to the nearest dispensary? The mind boggles

Are they planning on charging VAT the same as alcohol or will it be free on prescription?
Please excuse my rambling as I’m sleeping deprived but this really has me pondering.

It will be the 16-25 year olds. Will
Starmer still lower the voting age for the next GE now ??!

Anything can be abused and misused. Laws don’t change human nature either.

And among the ones I quoted, weed is probably the least dangerous/addictive.

And if weed was legal, anyone could produce their own version, and how much/little thc they want. But because it’s illegal and controlled by organised crime for financial gain, they make it very strong and full of chemicals and customers have no choice.

Oh god, yes this.

A couple of years ago following a Hen do in a villa further up the coast, I shared a cab into Lisbon with the bride's sister who needed to get back sooner for her kids. So it was very early in the morning, before sunrise as I wanted to see what the city was like before my own flight, later that afternoon. I know I was an idiot. I was young.

I was in the old town looking at the architecture and I heard a voice coming out of the darkness. It was in Portuguese and I don't speak the language so I ignored it, making the calculation that it wasn't intended for me. Because I didn't react the person shouting switched to English; "Hey you, I'm going to rape you" And something along the lines of you better run away. Obviously I was terrified, so I bolted. Not easy as I had a heavy rucksack. What a scum bag he was.

I'll never go back to Lisbon after that experience. Nice modern art gallery though.

To hell with Greens . They are dangerous. I was only saying to my partner earlier today that we might need an exit strategy if they do, god forbid, get into power (my partner being Italian and owns a flat there, so it's a possibility). It would be like Iran 2.0.

Yes I agree

Weed in stronger forms - skunk - is dangerous and can lead to psychosis. It should not be legalised

I agree. Maybe Zack should see some of the people for whom skunk caused psychosis - it is tragic for them and their families.
Most drugs such as alcohol (unless it’s got to the wet brain stage), and opiates can be stopped without lifelong effects (I don’t know about cocaine) but skunk induced psychosis is generally irreversible.

I'm surprised why people even do them and voluntarily poison their bodies.

I like what the east Asian nations and the GCC have done with regards to drug crime. They will chop of the head of smugglers!

Legalise it and tax it. It is the only sound policy the Greens have.

How would a small amount of tax revenue make up for the inevitable harm to society done by making more people addicted to class A drugs?

god help us all if the greens ever get a sniff of power
(they won’t)

Opioids can't be stopped without lifelong effects because their use causes permanent, non-reversible brain changes.

Opioids can't be stopped without lifelong effects because their use causes permanent, non-reversible brain changes.

That’s interesting - what form do these brain changes take, and does the length of time that someone is addicted affect the changes?

What is terrifying is that apparently the majority of women 18-50 would vote Green.

Clearly they think the Greens still care about the environment. They don’t give a wotsit any more. The latest pledge is open borders and a wage, a house and no deportations, oh, and no checks to see if someone is a violent criminal/rapist etc etc.

Re the drugs - Polanski is going to do deals with cartels to import drugs. Fantastic.

They are just anarchists - and hypocrites 99% of the time.

It would be given out to people who already have a habit and have not been able to quit for many years. Similar to the way they give methadone maintenance.

But diamorphine is a much more good quality medication than methadone or street heroin. So they remove a lot of the harm risk and all of the need for the user to resort to criminality.

So it saves the police, society, and the NHS money in the long run. Also it might reduce benefits as a regular clean supply could make addicts more able to work. It also kills the illegal drug trade and it's associated criminality.

That's the idea anyway I presume.

Legalising weed, perhaps, and allow users to get it via a private prescription. As to legalising coke. That will just lead to more domestic violence and other crime. I am not talking about crime to get money for coke. I mean, coke usage makes some people violent.

He hasn't actually put forward any concrete proposals yet. All this stems from a single interview in which he agreed with a green party councillor about legalising drugs.

He went on to say "the war on drugs has absolutely failed, and ultimately we need to be having a public health approach led by public health experts, not politicians".

There will be a long debate process before the party forms a policy on drugs.

Obviously they have latched onto the Muslim vote as they seem to be focusing on Gaza in this by-election.

However I simply can’t see how this community would view legalising hard drugs and all the self-identity nonsense.

For the same reason people drink alcohol. They get pleasure from the experience.

@Erin1975 - I hardly think a glass of wine is in the same league as crack cocaine or fentanyl.

So do benzodiazepines

Pre 1971, before narcotics had been made illegal, there were less than a thousand registered addicts in England. Today the figure is closer to 300,000. So the "war on drugs" hasn't exactly been successful.

Another very good reason to decriminalise is that police corruption is largely driven by the huge sums of money generated by illegal drugs market.

I work in an area that I see the consequences of drugs on people and society every day.

NO, NO and NO again.

The people wanting to make it legal are middle class idiots imaging their fellow Trustafarians having a quiet responsible smoke of an evening.

The reality is drug use leads to a LOT of crime - in particular shoplifting, assaults on shop workers (just lately I encountered somebody punched to the ground by an addict to the extent they had a serious head injury), burglaries, robberies, and more.

Not to mention road traffic collisions caused by drivers on drugs.

Do you want it to be legal for somebody to be high on crack cocaine on the bus with you and your children? Do you think people should be able to carry out their jobs, drive, etc while under the influence of drugs? Do you want people speeding along the motorway after taking heroin or ecstasy?

If not, how would we legislate around this to ‘make drugs legal’ but not increase the risk to the public? It’s impossible.

Trust me this is a brain dead ‘idea’ from the terminally thick ultra left. They have NO CLUE about the real world.

Because heroin, ecstasy, ketamine, spice etc weren’t even in circulation then?

Because people will take it whether it’s legal or not.

This way more people can be helped with addiction, they can prevent infectious diseases and tax the shit outfit.

No, they won’t.

Right now it’s illegal for somebody to drive after taking drugs because they’re more likely to cause an accident.

If they are caught they are banned from driving.

If we legalise drugs, then everyone can presumably drive around high and not be arrested or banned UNTIL they cause an accident.

How is that a good idea????