Tourette’s/BAFTAs offensive language

[Lochroy]

I wasn’t watching, I’ve just read the article on BBC news. I will admit I know little of Tourette’s and therefore posting to understand.

The tics agree involuntary, and often use offensive language. But what I’m struggling to get my head around is excusing use of the N word because it was caused by the disability when it was (seemingly) only directed at black people?

Also presumably it’s learned vocab so children don’t have swear words as tics? How does this develop?

And by the same token, where is compassion and empathy for disabled people being shown by black people ?

There is a difference between expressing hurt and apportioning blame for it where none exists. JD apologising for the hurt his disability caused is apologising for his disability. Without the condition he would never have done what he did - the slur wasn’t a reflection of his own opinions or character, it was a random word generated by an uncontrollable disability.

And you said Many have said that JD should have not attended an event when he knew that racist slurs were one of his tics. Is that your own opinion ? That someone with a disability over which they have no control should limit their participation in society for the benefit of others ? Seriously ?

Look at what jamie foxx posted online after it.

Jamie Foxx, a wealthy influential actor with a huge following, going after a working-class, disabled Scottish man, was a particular low yesterday.

Also Mr Foxx should perhaps sit controversies out given the sexual assault allegations against him.

You brought

And I don’t work by putting people in boxes and scoring them in oppression points

Then follow up with this beauty, in the same post

I’m a woman, and Jewish - I have a harder life than a lot of people

The 🐊 tears are still flowing, the works smallest 🎻 still playing and irony of lecturing Black people about not ranking oppression while simultaneously ranking your own is still going over your head!

🤡

She didn't say her life was the hardest though? Just that it was hard. Which I can well believe, being Jewish in the UK must be really shitty right now.

You clearly didn’t get to some of the comments before they were deleted. If you had, you would know that that’s exactly what they were saying. Some are still saying it but couching it in terms that they clearly hope won’t be deleted, but the sentiment remains the same.

Any examples of the racism you keep banging on about on this thread, that you can’t appear to evidence? You’ve been asked a few times now.

Yep, a personal low for him.

LOADS of people have said that. A quick glance on social will show you countless people who think that he should have stayed home and should limit his access to the outside world in case he unintentionally offends someone. No one is making that up. It goes further than that actually, I've seen countless people saying that they would have physically attacked him in the same situation, including one delightful person who said 'my hands would have developed tourettes if he had said that to me.'

So no, it's not made up, it's everywhere. I fear that so much of the amazing work that John has done has been unravelled and that he is now in danger of being attacked, solely because the BBC refused to accept a duty of care to all of the people involved.

I am not responsible for what other posters said.

My point - again - it is a word that is offensive to black people and that could easily have been edited out.

That does not make me a “cunt” as someone posted upthread. It does not make me ableist.

Maybe the word flies over your head but to me it is deeply deeply offensive and it was not nice to hear it on TV like that.

I have not said a single thing about the person who said it.

I asked for examples upthread and was met with ‘I’m not your slave, get your own fucking examples’. The deflection was interesting, as was the unfortunate choice of words, given what’s being discussed here.

Plenty of posts here concerned about the effect on MJ and DL have also acknowledged the terrible effect of all this on JD. It's an awful situation where everyone suffers as has been said. However, there are lots more posts determined to minimise the effect on the black presenters because they see it as detracting from JD' s situation - hence all the unpleasant comments about people being 'pathetic' to be hurt by it, how taking offence is a choice 🤨, how they are 'playing the victim' - when they're also victims here. I don't think this is a good look and some compassion in both directions would be welcome.

You said that no-one on the thread had said JD shouldn’t have been allowed to attend the event. That was what l called you out on, because t’s not true. Most have been deleted but one or two still stand.

Can you give an example please?

There are people on this thread who’ve said is racist to even call out a black person on their ableism. Feels kinda racist to me. I’d NEVER expect anyone to give me a free pass on discrimination because I’m Jewish.

I’ve asked for a clarification on rules but haven’t had no response

Does people (Wrongly) thinking I’m racist make it ok to make racist comments towards me?

Agreed. The US is so backwards on so many issues.
And TBH a nation that elected an actual rapist is not a nation I think we should listen to when it comes to discrimination

You’ve been asked a few times now.

And? I am not your slave. Get your own fucking examples.

I see none. That’s why I’m asking! You stated it, the onus is on you to back up and evidence what you say or you look pretty stupid.

Yes it’s so odd how so many people are speaking for grown men who have agency and a PR team who can put postmen’s if need be. LD and MBJ haven’t criticised JD at all. That could be because they want to keep their views private - it’s possible they may think he’s racist (but given they both come across as intelligent worldly and compassionate men I highly doubt this). But if they want to keep their views private people should respect that, not speak on their behalf

Exactly. We don't need to start institutionalising those with the disabilities that others deem to be "unacceptable". We don't want to go back to that.

If people had to live with a condition that meant you literally had no control over your body movements, even if they experienced it for just a week, they would soon gain more empathy.

I remember my DH once said to me: "It's your body and your tongue, just stop moving them." No, I really can't. How can say this any other way? I just can't control it.

As far as I have seen only LD has made a comment and that was to criticise the BAFTAs about not coming to see him and MBJ afterwards.

G#He hasn't as far as I can tell criticsed JD at all.

I had a black friend in Juniors, she was an awesome human being. I stuck up for her when others called her obscenities. I’ll never forget it. It was awful.
The word on this post is so disgusting and disrespectful. I absolutely hate it.
But my child has TS/Coprolalia. When she says her all kinds of obscenities it’s entirely because she can’t control her tics. Not her fault. I can’t apologise - it has already been said, but I can enlighten people about the condition. The 2 examples are in totally different contexts. The word on this post is one of the worst. But I’m glad it has been spoken about. JD has made us have the debate which will spread awareness. This is positive.

If I don’t chaperone my DD she could easily be beaten up by people who do not understand. I can’t do this forever. The more people that know about us the better. We can carry this debate on until we are blue in the face.

I didn’t bring up my DD to swear. Quite the opposite. It’s just happened.
She could hardly get to Senior school as she was so embarrassed by her condition. She prefers to stay in than go out.

Her career is already chosen. She will work with animals who won’t judge her.
She shouldn’t have to hide but it is what it is.

She is the most kindest gentle person - I can’t change how she is and I wouldn’t want to.
Carry on debating. It spreads awareness of this terrible condition.

Thanks for listening.

Correct. And his criticism of BAFTA is fair IMO. If he does think JD was racist he’s keeping it quiet. So people’s demands that JD should put out a statement mentioning his name, they are quite happy to put a black man under scrutiny despite the fact clearly doesn’t want to talk about it anymore