Tourette’s/BAFTAs offensive language

[Lochroy]

I wasn’t watching, I’ve just read the article on BBC news. I will admit I know little of Tourette’s and therefore posting to understand.

The tics agree involuntary, and often use offensive language. But what I’m struggling to get my head around is excusing use of the N word because it was caused by the disability when it was (seemingly) only directed at black people?

Also presumably it’s learned vocab so children don’t have swear words as tics? How does this develop?

JD was not racist.

And I don’t work by putting people in boxes and scoring them in oppression points. John Davidson will have a harder life than the majority of black people. I’m a woman, and Jewish - I have a harder life than a lot of people.
But so what. As you say, it’s not a competition - yet so may people on this thread are trying to cancel out disabled people’s experience because apparently it can never be as bad as any black person’s. It’s grotesque

I do yes. I'm starting to wonder if you can think though.

It IS excusable BECAUSE it’s voluntary.
Why do you so badly want someone to demonise and blame?

You find calling out that’s posters vile comments about disabled people, offensive? Can you explain why a poster should be allowed to make the nasty comments they have about people with a neurological condition?

Why are you interested?
Do you think he did it on purpose?

If he was invited into a mosque, do you think he would shout that phrase. in much the same way as he shouted Fuck The Queen.

Yes there’s every possibility

If he landed in Iran, do you think he would shout that?

Again yes - why wouldn’t he?

I don't think he would and of course, he hasn't. That does seem to imply some choice.

You know what - you’re SO right. Best give the decades long neurological researchers of Tourette’s syndrome a call tomorrow and say “I know ALL your expensive and endless research points very compellingly to people with Tourette’s having absolutely no control of their tics. But some TOTAL GENIUS on mumsnet has pointed out that if John Davidson went to Iran he wouldnt shout a slur therefore there must be some choice in the tics of Tourette’s sufferers. Sorry to tell you all your research is wrong, but really she has a good point, no?”

🙄🙄

I don’t even know where to begin. But let’s start with - when did he go to Iran? And what actual fucking proof do you have?

It really is. I don’t think there’s even a word that’s expletive enough for how I feel about that post

The most hilarious bit is that poster obviously thinks they have a “gotcha” - on a literally made up situation. The stupidity is almost as offensive as the ableism

His parents disappeared because that happened IRL due to their shame of him. Clearly people like you support that sentiment

What else did you take with a pinch of salt? You seem to be really annoyed that he’s disabled. Anyone not watching that film and feeling sadness and inspiration has a swinging brick where their heart should be.

WHY would you “think not”? Have you read research that shows fear stops Tourette’s symptoms? Because research (not ignorant assumptions) shows the opposite. Stress worsens symptoms. So I’d say he would.

Where did I state JD was racist? Are you always so creative with the truth?

And I don’t work by putting people in boxes and scoring them in oppression points...

Is that irony? I’m a woman, and Jewish - I have a harder life than a lot of people. 🎻

I am a woman and Black - is this a competition? Oppression Olympics?

you may want to get on the socials if you actually want to hear the voices of bald people with Tourette’s. Who from what I have seen are overwhelmingly supporting John

In other words “No because there aren’t any”

Saying that JD was not racist isn’t dismissing racism. If you care about racism, go and fight it where it ACTUALLY exists

Hats off to the bald people. But not too long their heads might get cold.

I know it’s totally laughable that people just casually throw out an “A disabled person would apologise if X Y Z” like disabled people aren’t constantly expected to apologise all the time anyway.

I had a stint for a couple weeks in a wheelchair after surgery about 10 years ago. I was utterly gobsmacked at how I was treated - I got about 20 handbags in the face in shops because people give absolutely no room. People hurting to get in a lift before me too even though I was at the front of the queue. And YY to the falling into my wheelchair (which was very painful for me) then looking at me like I should be sorry! I’m so sorry you experience this and that your experiences are invalidated . This thread is depressing AF

I don’t pretend to.
But it is a fact that Tourette’s tics are involuntary, uncontrollable and not said out of a persons character

FFS I meant BLACK Tourette’s sufferers, not bald (though I’m sure some Tourette’s offers will be bald too)

What slurs about angry black women have there been??

Are we only allowed to tell white people to fuck off then? Can we never challenge a black person even when they’re being ableist? And when they ARE playing the oppression olymoics? Whats the rules? Are we just never allowed to disagree with a poster as soon as they say they’re black?

And clearly MN have not deleted ableist comments and I VERY much assure you antisemitic comments stay up all the time.

How am I supposed to know you stopped reading the thread? I’ll reply to who I like, just like you do.

You did admit you knew nothing about Tourette’s when you said you thought John Davidson was faking it in order to shout this word. I can assure you people with Tourette’s don’t need to fake anything

Many of us have asked to have the racism pointed out, but nobody seems to be able to.

Nothing to say about your disgusting ableism? Or do you think you get a pass on it?

Don’t flatter yourself. You won’t be missed. No place for ableism on a thread about Tourette’s

Again can I check the rules - when POC come on and make the most disgusting ableist comments, that have upset may people, are we not allowed to call them out because they’re black?

Because that…sounds kinda racist to me.

personally I don’t give anyone passes when they are being ableist

Oh good you’re back!

So tell us - where is it acceptable for a disabled person to be in public?

It’s not racist to call out people who happen to be black. I haven’t targetted someone for no reason, that person has made the most disgusting comments against disabled people. I hope you “Can’t believe what you’re reading” in relation to that too?

I didn’t call that poster angry BTW so please apologise.

But treating black people like they’re above things like not being a massive ableist feels very racist. Are you saying it’s ok to make ableist comments if you’re a POC?

Im Jewish. What do I get to do? Who do I get to pick on, and nobody can challenge me? Would just like to know the rules

@TheEdenSide What’s your problem? JD shouldn’t apologise for his disability but he should apologise for the hurt his disability has caused. He’s released a statement which focuses on himself and doesn’t even mention MBJ and DL (or the multiple other people he called the N word last night). In this life, if our actions, either involuntary or by accident, cause harm to others, we have to be accountable and others shouldn’t just be forced to accept it in silence.

Shall I put a little violin next to “I am a woman and I am Black”? Would that be ok?

My point was that I DONT think I get a pass for being Jewish, yet some people who want to put others into boxes and score them on oppression, do. I think you (purposefully) missed the irony in my post.

But as an aside it’s REALLY antisemitic to imply Jewish people play the victim, FYI. Just in case you actually give a shit