Tourette’s/BAFTAs offensive language

[Lochroy]

I wasn’t watching, I’ve just read the article on BBC news. I will admit I know little of Tourette’s and therefore posting to understand.

The tics agree involuntary, and often use offensive language. But what I’m struggling to get my head around is excusing use of the N word because it was caused by the disability when it was (seemingly) only directed at black people?

Also presumably it’s learned vocab so children don’t have swear words as tics? How does this develop?

Hmmm there we go. If it’s a disability not his fault then sick precautions wouldn’t be made would they. Flashing is offensive but the n word at two innocent actors isn’t,

Does MN have a reputation for racism?! Really?

Nope. If there is no intent and the person in the firing line is capable of understanding that it’s the disability talking, not the person, what is the problem ? Comparing disabled people to children is pretty insulting.

But John isn’t physically harming anyone with his words. He is just living his life in public and they pop out. No he shouldn’t have to apologise because it’s not the same as running over someone’s foot

Oooooooohhh I see. So black people objecting to being called nigg*rs are - in YOUR OWN VERY WORDS - “losers” and “should get the fuck over it” and are people who are making it all about “meeeeee”.

Well, well, well. Look who has turned up and shown their true colours.

I think the people still arguing that John was in the wrong are probably the same people who argue on social media that a person suffering from psychosis who attacked someone was ‘playing the mental health card’ in court.

Some people really struggle to comprehend that personal responsibility isn’t always a reality.

There’s a difference between apologising if you hurt someone and being continually forced to apologise because you have a disability which you have no control over.

I'm not sure. I'm really genuinely not sure. I'm not discounting the possibility though. I think this has created a loophole for a slur that would not be excused at any other time. It just seems very convenient.

intent doesn’t outweigh impact

Most people understand that the impact of this disability on John is far greater and outweighs the impact on anyone else.

I first watched John in a TV series from around the 1980s when I'd never heard of Tourettes. I was shocked that such a condition existed.

John has had a very difficult life and coped remarkably well. I remember when he was older he had a dog and would tell the dog it was safe to cross the road when it clearly wasn't. The dog was more understanding than some people in the comments.

Being called a nigg*r is harmful. Only a racist wouldn’t understand that.

I know you mean well, but... fucking hell.

This is a complete failure of the BBC and BAFTA - they should have clearly briefed and
explained to Michael B Jordan and Delroy Lindo that it could very well happen so they could be prepared
then they should also have been on the look out for it occurring and acted accordingly in terms of removing it online

the failure to do so has pretty much thrown everyone under the bus

You’re not sure if he meant it?

He has Tourette’s! Educate yourself.

I know I mean heaven forbid you <gasp> cause offence! Because being offended is surely the worst thing that can happen to a person 🙄

There are countries not too far away from us that shut disabled people, including children away. It’s utterly horrifying that may people including on this thread want us to be the same.

But as I said on the other thread, I think if we are gonna lock anyone away, it should be the ableist and bigots

Oh that's a good idea, we could make him wear a scold's bridle.

Jesus Christ.

Different situation though. The person in a wheel chair has probably rarely run over someone’s foot. Someone with Tourette’s will shout out something offensive multiple times a day. Should they spend their entire day apologising for something they can’t control? Someone in a wheelchair can control themselves not running over someone’s foot again. Someone with Tourette’s can’t control not being offensive again. There lies the difference.

Nope. Not what the poster was saying at all. This is about intent. And there was none. So why do you think a disabled person should be made to apologise for something over which they have no control ?

Ah, I see. A race that had segregated water fountains, schools, that were literally hanged on trees all while called the 'n' word no longer matters the moment the person who uses that slur has Tourettes. All rather convenient isn't it how little black people and our struggle and traumas and even lynchings matter, the moment someone has tourettes. I can guarantee you that our lived experience and the impact of that is far, far greater.

do you think micheal b jordan needs bloody exposure? the film they're both in is up for an oscar as well as them both having individual noms as well.

amazingly enough black people dont want "exposure" from being called a slur.

He’s a campaigner who specifically tells other people with Tourette’s that it’s important they don’t perpetually apologise for being disabled. And he’s right.

He did nothing wrong. Why should he apologise?

Nobody is saying it isn’t. It’s about intent. And if there is no intent by reason of disability there is no cause for offence.

Why the fuck would someone who had a heart attack at the wheel be expected to apologise for it? He didn’t ‘cause harm’. It would be completely out of his control. It’s like expecting someone to apologise for a tsunami or earthquake. Shit things happen, and often nobody is responsible.

The first documentary about this man was from the 1980s when he's sixteen years old. His life is already hard, he's struggling, he tries so had not to tic he holds his own lip shut:

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He's now in his 50s - he's appeared on several more documentaries, received an MBE from the Queen for his campaigning, lived a very challenging and difficult life as fully and meaningfully as possible - and you think he's done this to create a loophole to be a racist? Seriously??