Tourette’s/BAFTAs offensive language

[Lochroy]

I wasn’t watching, I’ve just read the article on BBC news. I will admit I know little of Tourette’s and therefore posting to understand.

The tics agree involuntary, and often use offensive language. But what I’m struggling to get my head around is excusing use of the N word because it was caused by the disability when it was (seemingly) only directed at black people?

Also presumably it’s learned vocab so children don’t have swear words as tics? How does this develop?

Disability can explain behaviour, but it doesn't necessarily erase the impact.

Not all of us are so naive we don't see how it may be used as a cover. I suggest you educate yourself on African American history and our trauma.

Disabled people do not owe anybody an apology for their disability. End of.

Of someone is hurt by the ENTIRELY uncontrolled actions of a disabled person - actions which are 1000x more distressing to that disabled person than anyone else - , it’s on them to deal with. They are not owed an apology.

If yelling out the n word is racism and doesn't matter what the intent is. Is this really just that he is a white man that said it. The word is used so commonly in music and American street culture that the word itself is obviously not offensive to many.

Please explain how disabled people are responsible for any of that ? I don’t disagree for a moment with what you are saying, I’m just wondering why disabled people are not afforded the same courtesy as you expect yourself.

I thinks it’s more like asking someone in a wheelchair to apologise for running over your foot with their wheelchair. A simple I’m sorry for the hurt my disability has caused would go a long way.

Probably others have already said this. He apparently said Fuck the Queen - to the Queen. called Prince Charles a parasite, told someone who had cancer that she’d die.

it’s about blurting out what shouldn’t be said in a particular scenario.And not being able to control it.

its been very interesting watching the US twitter take on this - very different in approach to disability.

And can we stop the embarrassing comparisons. Like what the actual fuck are you on about? A symptom Tourette’s is not “killing people with their cars”

Are you going to apologise for being an awful bigot?

John is a Scottish man, what on earth do lynchings in the American south have to do with him?
Why must everything now be viewed througn an American lens?

Are you suggesting he used it as a cover?

WTF?!?! Shame on you. He was utterly mortified.

Kneecap were on stage supporting a Jew hating terrorist organisation. There’s a difference

Well that there makes me doubt him then. If you hurt someone, you should apologise. He's not apologising for being disabled, he's apologising for hurting someone from a vulnerable minority. Or, does our history of oppression and lynchings no longer count?

What he said was one of the most offensive words a black person can ever hear. Therein lies the difference. Only an awful ignorant human being cannot apologise for that or understand the scale of the offence.

Does MN have a reputation for racism?! Really?

Yes it does.

Yes. It does. Most of the people
on this thread are racist.

Thats two different things

like comparing apples & pairs

Well no. As most people in a wheelchair can control where their wheelchair goes. So accidentally going over your foot would merit an apology in the same way I’d apologise for treading on your toe with my own foot.

Really? Where has he said that? He hasn't even apologised to the black men on stage. And no, as a black person, the shame is not on me. Wtf is right!

None of this is relevant to what I said.

To reiterate: the impact of this disability on John is far greater and outweighs the impact it has on anyone else.

The film has a very moving scene that addresses his apologising, and why he owes nobody an apology.

Maxine Peake plays the woman who was effectively his (non biological) mum and as always delivers her character with total perfection

Thank you!

Don’t you think that if there was such a ‘device’ that someone would be making millions - I’m sure anyone with Tourette’s would be snapping them up. Whilst you might be coming from a good place with the suggestion, it’s very insensitive.

Some of you on this thread need to step away from the internet. Seriously.

Being called the N word is horrific.
Having Tourettes is horrific.
The film is brilliant- it’s totally worth watching if you haven’t seen it.
The BBC should have edited out the comments - they should be held accountable for not doing so.

All of the above can be true and empathy can be applied.