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Thread 44 Starmer - Knolraap en lof, schorseneren en prei.

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DuncinToffee · 19/02/2026 15:42

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SerendipityJane · 27/02/2026 10:16

BIossomtoes · 27/02/2026 10:14

How can it possibly be misogyny? Anyone and anything can be irrelevant. All that shows is a basic misunderstanding of the word.

We now live in a world of magic words.

SerendipityJane · 27/02/2026 10:18

To be read with a lot of salt, but what the grown ups should be looking at

The two results suggest a strong likelihood of tactical voting linked to higher turnout, assuming that some additional voters in Set 2 were motivated by a desire to prevent a Reform UK victory.

In Set 1, turnout was relatively low at 35%, and the vote opposing Reform was fragmented across several parties. Liberal Democrats and Labour each held roughly a quarter of the vote, while the Greens also had a significant share. Reform therefore competed in a divided field where anti-Reform voters were spread across multiple options.

In Set 2, turnout increased substantially to 47.5%, representing roughly a one-third rise in participation. At the same time, the voting pattern changed dramatically. The Green Party surged to over 40% of the vote, while Liberal Democrat support almost disappeared and Labour declined despite the larger electorate. Reform increased its vote share significantly but still finished second.
This pattern is consistent with vote consolidation behind a perceived strongest challenger. The near collapse of the Liberal Democrat vote during a higher-turnout election is particularly notable; when participation rises but a party’s support falls sharply, it often indicates supporters switching tactically rather than staying home. A large proportion of previous Liberal Democrat voters likely moved to the Greens, who appear to have emerged as the most viable anti-Reform candidate locally.

Some Labour voters may also have voted tactically for the Greens, though Labour retained a substantial base. Conservative voters appear to have split between abstention and movement toward Reform, contributing to Reform’s increased share.

The additional voters generated by higher turnout likely strengthened both sides: Reform mobilised supporters, while many new or returning voters backed the candidate most likely to defeat Reform.

Overall, the evidence suggests that increased turnout combined with tactical coordination significantly concentrated the anti-Reform vote behind the Greens, transforming a previously fragmented contest into a two-candidate race.

dontcallmelen · 27/02/2026 10:20

Relieved that graceless fucker lost.

DuncinToffee · 27/02/2026 10:21

The melt down seem to be primarily about the conceived Muslim vote.

But we can't call them racists.

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SerendipityJane · 27/02/2026 10:24

DuncinToffee · 27/02/2026 10:21

The melt down seem to be primarily about the conceived Muslim vote.

But we can't call them racists.

But the suggestion that a block muslim vote went to the Greens is risible.

I bet no one is making that point in the press - although the paucity of Farage on the BBC is a welcome respite.

SerendipityJane · 27/02/2026 10:34

A pithy summation

Thread 44 Starmer - Knolraap en lof, schorseneren en prei.
DuncinToffee · 27/02/2026 10:42

Nigle Farage has done a Reform UK video statement which doubles down on his claim that the party only lost in Gorton and Denton due to "cheating".

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LizzieW1969 · 27/02/2026 10:43

BIossomtoes · 27/02/2026 10:14

How can it possibly be misogyny? Anyone and anything can be irrelevant. All that shows is a basic misunderstanding of the word.

It seems that, according to some posters, any criticism at all of Kemi is misogynistic now. Even perfectly valid criticism which has nothing to do with her being a woman at all.

LizzieW1969 · 27/02/2026 10:44

Regarding the result, I'm not a fan of this Green Party, but it's good to see the Reform Party lose heavily and the Tory Party lose their deposit.

Notonthestairs · 27/02/2026 10:46

As the analysis starts of the Gorton and Denton result, I wanted to flag some aspects that my experience yesterday suggests are being over or under-played

(Caveats - I went to Longsight, Gorton and Denton town centres and spoke to as many people as I could, but it was mostly during the working day)
https://bsky.app/profile/lizziedearden.bsky.social/post/3mfti5j3qw22l

worth a read.

Lizzie Dearden (@lizziedearden.bsky.social)

As the analysis starts of the Gorton and Denton result, I wanted to flag some aspects that my experience yesterday suggests are being over or under-played (Caveats - I went to Longsight, Gorton and Denton town centres and spoke to as many people as I...

https://bsky.app/profile/lizziedearden.bsky.social/post/3mfti5j3qw22l

placemats · 27/02/2026 10:46

LizzieW1969 · 27/02/2026 10:44

Regarding the result, I'm not a fan of this Green Party, but it's good to see the Reform Party lose heavily and the Tory Party lose their deposit.

I'm still chuckling at that. 🤭😂

Notonthestairs · 27/02/2026 10:48

Nigel needs to cheer up - the team behind BBC Ghosts are making Ghosts the movie.
excellent news all round.

dontcallmelen · 27/02/2026 10:52

DuncinToffee · 27/02/2026 10:42

Nigle Farage has done a Reform UK video statement which doubles down on his claim that the party only lost in Gorton and Denton due to "cheating".

In the words of the often quoted Mandy Rice-Davies on this thread
“He would say that wouldn’t he”

Raven08 · 27/02/2026 10:53

Notonthestairs · 27/02/2026 10:48

Nigel needs to cheer up - the team behind BBC Ghosts are making Ghosts the movie.
excellent news all round.

This is excellent news

BIossomtoes · 27/02/2026 10:58

I’m avoiding at all costs this morning but apparently the Telegraph is in melt down this morning. Has anyone taken one for the team?

ETA Too many mornings there!

placemats · 27/02/2026 11:02

PandoraSocks · 27/02/2026 07:48

Here is the article if anyone wants a laugh:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/c53032386206575e

Here you go @BIossomtoes

PandoraSocks · 27/02/2026 11:03

BIossomtoes · 27/02/2026 10:58

I’m avoiding at all costs this morning but apparently the Telegraph is in melt down this morning. Has anyone taken one for the team?

ETA Too many mornings there!

Edited

I read part of one article and that was enough.

eViL mUsliMs are stealing our democracy etc.

placemats · 27/02/2026 11:04

Also "sectarianism".

DuncinToffee · 27/02/2026 11:05

PandoraSocks · 27/02/2026 11:03

I read part of one article and that was enough.

eViL mUsliMs are stealing our democracy etc.

Has the resident Dubai correspondent pipped up yet?

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BIossomtoes · 27/02/2026 11:10

placemats · 27/02/2026 11:02

Here you go @BIossomtoes

Thank you. I tried but I couldn’t read to the end. I felt a bit sick.

PandoraSocks · 27/02/2026 11:10

placemats · 27/02/2026 11:04

Also "sectarianism".

Yes. The new dog whistle.

placemats · 27/02/2026 11:14

BIossomtoes · 27/02/2026 11:10

Thank you. I tried but I couldn’t read to the end. I felt a bit sick.

I didn't read to the end either. A load of frothing nonsense. Although the dog whistles shouldn't be ignored.

SerendipityJane · 27/02/2026 11:16

PandoraSocks · 27/02/2026 11:10

Yes. The new dog whistle.

Blowing more than one whistle confuses the stupid.

Also, moving to a new one suggest the old one is broken.

RafaistheKingofClay · 27/02/2026 11:20

pointythings · 25/02/2026 12:32

We have a team in our Trust whose job is explicitly to support people with long term mental ill health to get back into work and then stay there. Their success rates are really good and improving all the time. It is a model that works.

I got my current job through a similar scheme (charity but I believe gets either local or nhs funding) but I have a massive issue with this.

The 1% target or you get financial penalties is going to mean that trusts will try and hit that target by any means necessary. So it’s going to be bad news if you are not economically useful to the country and need treatment. Down the waiting list you go if you are retired or disabled to an extent that you are unlikely to ever find work. I’d have more confidence that this wouldn’t be the case if my pre-election argument that saying we needed to get more people on sickness benefits was fine depending on how you did it hadn’t been completely blown out of the water by their rhetoric and actions on sickness/disability benefits post election.

Secondly, they’ve restricted the vaccination of a mass disabling pandemic virus to over 75s while we’re still in the middle of a pandemic. Pretty much the only people or working age still getting vaccinated now are well informed people who can afford £100.

Put those teams and advisors in job centres (and bring them back tbh). The health service should be focusing on getting people better not how worthy those people are.

There are some epic levels of cope going on this morning.

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